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Old 05-24-2013, 12:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ventilation with 40' cargo shipping container

I live in phoenix az, I am planning on buying a 40' shipping container
40 ft. Dry Ocean Freight Cargo Container - Miami, FL
and what I want to do is bury it, with 3 feet of soil above it (to keep out the heat and stabilize the temperture year round. and I will have an incline ramp going down to the doors on the one end... my problem, is that it will contain animals that produce their fair share of ammonia and I need air circulation/ventilation but 1/2 the year that will be hot air and I need a way to cool it down... since it will be underground, there really isnt a way I can see putting an air condioner to it, so does anyone know of a feasible method that would be low cost, some kind of swamp cooler or air exchanger that Im not knowing of

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uhm, yeah, a swamp cooler?

or a thermal mass system.
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Depending on how much cfm you need, bury the incoming air ducts for an appropriate distance. Local guy built a house in the 70s and did that. Never needed air conditioning.
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I think he's already accomplishing death trap by putting 3' of fill over a cargo container.
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I live in phoenix az, I am planning on buying a 40' shipping container
40 ft. Dry Ocean Freight Cargo Container - Miami, FL
and what I want to do is bury it, with 3 feet of soil above it (to keep out the heat and stabilize the temperture year round. and I will have an incline ramp going down to the doors on the one end... my problem, is that it will contain animals that produce their fair share of ammonia and I need air circulation/ventilation but 1/2 the year that will be hot air and I need a way to cool it down... since it will be underground, there really isnt a way I can see putting an air condioner to it, so does anyone know of a feasible method that would be low cost, some kind of swamp cooler or air exchanger that Im not knowing of

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I think he's already accomplishing death trap by putting 3' of fill over a cargo container.
you dont think the top will hold 3 feet of fill ???
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I think he's already accomplishing death trap by putting 3' of fill over a cargo container.
Yea your right, they can't stand any weight:
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I think he's already accomplishing death trap by putting 3' of fill over a cargo container.
Do you think 3 ft of fill is going to effect it?


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you dont think the top will hold 3 feet of fill ???
actually..no.

the containers are made to take load on the floor and corners, NOT the roof or walls.
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What in the hell are you going to put in a shipping container underground that is living?

I could see growing pot in there, but animals?


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actually..no.

the containers are made to take load on the floor and corners, NOT the roof or walls.
Apparently thats not obvious enough from how they stack, load and move them....

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example, the walls on a burried grow house
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actually..no.

the containers are made to take load on the floor and corners, NOT the roof or walls.

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actually..no.

the containers are made to take load on the floor and corners, NOT the roof or walls.
This.

In order for it to be able to take weight across the center roof and sides, you must weld in bracing. All the ones I have seen done, used 4x4 square tube, welded in every 24" or so, like ribs on the inside, then tied together with crossbracing.
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big ass drain tube, storage tanks and the like work best. They may be ugly and not have flat floors but are DESIGNED to be burried.
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yup.. use some big ass culvert instead.
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example, the walls on a burried grow house
Good post, that's why I asked, I would have never guessed the sides would come in like that,
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Old condemned fuel tanks from corner gas stations work awesome. Just gotta clean them really well and then paint the inside. After that it's nothing to install a wooden floor to make it flat.
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Big new style septic tanks make the best underground shelters from what I hear. They make them huge, and designed to be burryed deep.
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Unless you can get one really cheap I'm wondering the benefit over just putting cement block up and a concrete floor, q decking and concrete roof?

I would think the dampness of the ground would be a constant fight, where as if you built it basement style and all concrete and block it may cost a little more but be almost trouble free with the right drainage.

An 8'x40' culvert would probably cost $7-9k, I'd think doing it in concrete would only be $10k or so.
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