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Old 09-04-2003, 12:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Building a Boat Dock out of railroad ties?

Every have a random idea come to you in a dream?

Last night I was dreaming and I made a dock in our pond out of treated (tarred?) railroad ties. After I woke up his morning, I couldn't help but wonder if that would be a good idea or not... although I don't know why i was dreaming about that...

Can anyone think of some pro's and cons as to why this would be a good or bad idea?

one pro:
i figured the tar/treated ties would be great for holding up to the elements, and would be super duty.

one con:
the tar would heat up with the hot sun and maybe start to drip off?
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Cons:

anything living in the pond *could* die...railroad ties have some pretty toxic stuff in them...there from tarring them or from the many chemicals that seeped into them over the years.
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Don't do it! The creosote (sp) will more than likely kill everything in the pond. They recently closed down the creosote plant down here, and they had to remove the top 20-25 feet of dirt from the entire site before it was deemed safe to rebuild on.
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anything living in the pond *could* die...railroad ties have some pretty toxic stuff in them...there from tarring them or from the many chemicals that seeped into them over the years.
Yeah, i was thinking about things like that. what is the main shit, Kreasote or some shit? prolly why i have never seen a railroad tie dock before.
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Con: The DNR will probably fine you many $$$$$$ for creating a "unsafe habitat" and.... they are heavy and a biatch ta work with...sticky too.

Pro: you could drive on it when your done...makings of a nice bridge LMAO

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Don't do it! The creosote (sp) will more than likely kill everything in the pond. They recently closed down the creosote plant down here, and they had to remove the top 20-25 feet of dirt from the entire site before it was deemed safe to rebuild on.

DAMN! remind me NEVAR to follow any of my own advice extracted from my dreams.
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I didnt think creosote had been used in RR ties for along while? Thought thats why there had been such an over abundance of it killing the desert plants in the last 10 years.


But , any ties you would get would likely be old take offs that would be creosote treated.
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There use to be a old creosote plant in stockton Ca down by the port...it is considered one of the most contaminated sites in the US so i would guess that stuff would be bad juju for a dock
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Just use old wore out swampers with junk wheels and make a floating dock.
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Pentachlorophenol is the most common treatment for railroad ties and telephone poles. Creosote and cresol are variants on the same song. None of these compounds are good for living organisms.

In Michigan, the DNR uses railroad ties for bridges in off-road vehicle areas, some even wetlands...

At least we have access, for now.
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Mr. Logic chiming in here:
How the hell would you connect them?
Nails? drilled holes and bolts? I wouldn’t touch that one.
We lived on a the river for many years.
The most effective way we found was to:
Use broken power poles, a friend at the local power company can hook you up with all that you want. Bolt your joists to the poles, cross brace each one, and screw thick decking on. leave the posts long to lean against, tie boats off, etc.
Floods and ice rafts destroyed several different designs. The one I described lasted the longest.

RR ties would be extremely dangerous to deal with in water. If you are like me you will be working alone. If one falls on you, you could be in serious trouble. They are too heavy for to be a one man job.
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fresh creosote is a skin irritant too, try handling it with bare hands and no shirt on for a day or so, you will never want to see another one.
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And those things burn...the elevated train stations in Chi-town have similarly treated flooring, in the summer they get so oily that they will light up when someone drops a cigarette
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I dunno about down there but it seems like every pier at the ocean is made of creosoted timber here? Not saying it is a good thing!
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Too heavy too.
You have no idea... I have to move them at work sometimes.
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Old 09-05-2003, 04:05 AM   #17 (permalink)
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My family has had lake property for 40 years and I have a few observations.

At one time probably 1/2 to 2/3 of the houses on the lake had sea walls made of RR ties. We are current dredging the lake and they found no PCB's or anything else in the soil

Ice destroys everything in time.

It is a bitch to dig deep enough in midwest mud bottom lakes to anchor it properly.

When piers make of ties or 6x6's or the like start to lean you have little recourse

The best piers are make using augers on the end of galvanized pipe. You can screw them in to the bottom as deep as necessary and when the pier begins to lean you can unscrew them and set them straight again
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I work for a railroad contractor, and it never fails we will get a new guy on a job site and he will not pay attention to what he is doing while handling ties and they will get the cresote all over their arms. We just hand them a wire brush, and tell them to brush and wash.(there are other ways, but this is the method, that most rr hands use) The creosote gets under the skin, and the only way to stop the burning is to remove it or just wait.
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creosote was the preferred method for piles in water in the northeast for over 100 years. now, if you try to put in the water,t he EPA and DEP bend you over and assfuck you till you bleed down to your feet.

of course, doing ANYTHING on nor near water/wetlands in the US is just about as bad as wiping your ass with the Shroud of Turin in front of the Pope at the Vatican.
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