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Old 10-10-2007, 04:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anybody use Murphy Oil Soap for flea control?

Was looking at a greyhound rescue website the other day and they mentioned using a 50/50 mix of Murphy Oil Soap and Joy dishwash liquid. A quick google search yields a couple other hits

Anyone here ever use it? Does the dog continue to smell as bad as that stuff?
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I'm using apple cider vinegar on Varga. I put it in her food, plus spray it on her before she goes outside. I have a 50/50 mix in a spray bottle and she gets a tablespoon in each meal. I also bought her brewers yeast and garlic tablets and give those to her daily. The fleas are supposed to hate it. Also the vinegar is good for their coat and arthritis.
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I remember your thread, where the heck did you find brewers yeast and garlic tablets?

I also saw the apple cider vinegar idea, they mention putting in water. Have you noticed any difference?
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. Also the vinegar is good for their coat and arthritis.

interesting re arthritis. Maxi was (again) at the point where I thought it was time to put her down. Ran out of the pain meds she was on and only had some baby aspirin around the house so gave her that.....amazing difference, she's hanging in there again for a while

Definitely going to get some vinegar
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I remember your thread, where the heck did you find brewers yeast and garlic tablets?
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I am going to pick some up this weekend. the damned fleas just won't go away.
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I have used Murphy's on the dog full strength when she had a few fleas. They die on contact and don't come back.

Just make sure to rinse it off completely.
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I remember your thread, where the heck did you find brewers yeast and garlic tablets?

I also saw the apple cider vinegar idea, they mention putting in water. Have you noticed any difference?
Walmart in the pet dept...250 chewable tablets for like $2.50.
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Here's info on the vinegar

http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/acvfordogs.html
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Was looking at a greyhound rescue website the other day and they mentioned using a 50/50 mix of Murphy Oil Soap and Joy dishwash liquid. A quick google search yields a couple other hits

Anyone here ever use it? Does the dog continue to smell as bad as that stuff?
Never used the oil soap but the vet told me to use a 50/50 mix of Pine Sol and dishwashing liquid - they smell good and it did kill the fleas.
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My last dog, KC, never had fleas, or ticks or any other bugs, don't know what it was, but we never treated her and never found anything in her coat or on her skin, this little punt dog that we have now has had three treatments of advantix and still scratches
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My last dog, KC, never had fleas, or ticks or any other bugs, don't know what it was, but we never treated her and never found anything in her coat or on her skin, this little punt dog that we have now has had three treatments of advantix and still scratches
Varga never had fleas in Colorado but here it just sucks. Maybe there were in the house from the previous owner? Thats probably why the treatments aren't working
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How many times do I have to say it?

$46 for a 6 month supply of the largest dose(one treatment lasts 2 months for fleas)


Or if you have small dogs or cats.... 1 spray per pound spread out over the body...


Quit wasting your time with "home remedies"... And if you're dead set on it, you might as well kill the adults running around your house too. Set a light bulb over a pan of water with a few drops of detergent in it... Fleas jump at light bulb, fall in pan and sink to the bottom of the pan(detergent breaks up the surface tension of the water, regular water and they walk on top of it)

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How many times do I have to say it?

$46 for a 6 month supply of the largest dose(one treatment lasts 2 months for fleas)


Or if you have small dogs or cats.... 1 spray per pound spread out over the body...


Quit wasting your time with "home remedies"... And if you're dead set on it, you might as well kill the adults running around your house too. Set a light bulb over a pan of water with a few drops of detergent in it... Fleas jump at light bulb, fall in pan and sink to the bottom of the pan(detergent breaks up the surface tension of the water, regular water and they walk on top of it)

BTW buy it here
http://www.1800petmeds.com/pselect.a...e%20Top%20Spot
tried it, lasts a couple weeks, I think I'll try some home remedies thanks
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Did you bathe your dog 3 days before or 3 days after? Did you apply in several spots down their back? One big puddle between the shoulder blades and they will sometimes shake it off their back. I assure you, it works when applied right.
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EDIT 7-29-10: Bayer Tree and Shrub has changed its formula. It now has fertilizer in the mix and you don't want to use it on animals

Apparently they make more money selling flea drops than they did selling tree and shrub. They have now changed the formula to Bayer Tree and Shrub with Feed. This has 2% ammonia in the mix and is not safe to put on your dog.




Bayer Tree and Shrub.
You can buy it walmart in the garden section.
Murders all fleas, doesn't do much for tick prevention.

It has the same ingreidients as Advantage Drops, just not as strong.
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Kills:
Adelgids, Aphids, Black Vine Weevil Larvae, Roundheaded Borers (including Eucalyptus Longhorned Borers), Emerald Ash Borers, Flathead Borers (including Bronze, Birch and Alder Borers), Japanese Beetles (adult), Lacebugs, Leaf Beetles (including Elm Leaf Beetles and Viburnum Leaf Beetles), Leafhoppers, Leafminers (including Birch Leafminers), Mealybugs, Pine Tip Month Larvae, Psylids, Royal Palm Bugs, Sawfly Larvae, Scale (including Armored Scale [suppression] and Soft Scale), Thrips and Whiteflies

Where to Use:
Outdoor Trees & Shrubs

How to Use:
Determine the amount to use by measuring the distance around the tree trunk or the height of the shrub. Just mix in a bucket and pour.

When to Use:
Once a year or when insects are present

Active Ingredients:
Imidacloprid: 1.47%
Here is information about Advantage Flea and Tick (Go check 1-800-petmeds if you want to back it up).
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Active Ingredient(s)
Imidacloprid (9.1%), Inert ingredients (90.9%)


What is this product used for
Advantage is a once a month topical flea treatment for cats and kittens over 8 weeks or older and dogs and puppies 7 weeks or older. This product kills 98-100% of the fleas on cats and dogs within 12 hours.

Availability
Advantage, a once a month topical flea treatment, is a non-prescription (OTC) product.

How this product should be used
Advantage is available in applicators for cats 1-9 lbs and cats 10 lbs and over. Advantage is available in applicators for dogs 1-10 lbs, 11-20 lbs, 21-55 lbs and 55 lbs and over. To apply, place the applicator tip through the animal?s hair to the skin level. On cats, apply to skin on neck at the base of the skull. For dogs up to 20 lbs, apply to skin on back between the shoulder blades. For dogs 21 lbs or over apply the contents of one tube to 3 or 4 spots along the skin on back from the shoulder to the tail. Do not get this product in the pet?s eyes or mouth.

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Individual sensitivities, while rare, may occur after using any pesticide product for pets. If signs persist, or become more severe, consult a veterinarian immediately.

What special precautions are there
Advantage is for external use on dogs 7 weeks or older and cats 8 weeks or older. Consult a veterinarian before using on medicated animals, animals using this product with other pesticides, and debilitated, aged, pregnant or nursing animals. This product causes eye irritation in humans and is harmful if swallowed. Avoid contact with skin. Call poison control center if swallowed. If on skin, wash with plenty of soap and water. If in eyes, flush with plenty of water.

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Contact your veterinarian or veterinary emergency room.
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If you are dead set on buying flea & tick drops, you should buy Advantix.
It is the best, I have used them all.

Then by reading other products ingredients, other websites, and searching the internet I have found you can buy the exact same product a whole lot cheaper when you buy it for a horse or other agricultural use.
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Advantix is the best topical drops I have found for fleas and ticks.

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K9 Advantix (Bayer)

Active Ingredient(s)
Imidacloprid (8.8%), Permethrin (44.0%), Other ingredients (47.2%)


What is this product used for
K9 Advantix is for use on dogs and puppies 7 weeks of age and older only.
You can go over to fly sprays in the horse section and you will find the exact same ingredients in several sprays, just not as strong of concentration.

Advantix costs $60 for a 4 pack
The Equine fly spray costs between $6 to $20 for a quart spray bottle.
Usually the price difference is relative to the concentration of the active ingredients.

I have used Bronco's equine fly spray, but found it to be a little weak requiring weekly applications.
Now I am using one in a bright orange bottle but can't remember the name.
It is working well. I spray them down every 3 to 4 weeks.
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Here are the ingredients in bronco's equine fly spray:
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Pyrethrins and Pyrethroids 0.05 %
Piperonyl butoxide 0.5 %
Permethrin 0.1 %
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You will see Imidacloprid and Permethrin in many agricultural insecticides, including the flea drops.

Do you own research and come to your own conclusions.
When you are taking care of 5 to 7 dogs, you will find cheaper ways to do it with the exact same products.

Same goes for wormers. You can buy the exact same product in the exact same strength for horses and cows a whole lot cheaper.
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Varga never had fleas in Colorado but here it just sucks. Maybe there were in the house from the previous owner? Thats probably why the treatments aren't working
I believe it's the elevation. I've heard that fleas can't survive in higher elevations. We live just under 4000 ft and in the 5 years, not one problem. My parents live at 2500 ft, and they don't even have fleas there. Back when we lived on the coast it was a completely different story.
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I believe it's the elevation. I've heard that fleas can't survive in higher elevations. We live just under 4000 ft and in the 5 years, not one problem. My parents live at 2500 ft, and they don't even have fleas there. Back when we lived on the coast it was a completely different story.
another difference is the winter up in Colorado kills the fleas off for close to half the year. Here it never gets cold enough to kill fleas so they have 12 glorious months a year to go crazy
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I think this is what I got last time.
It works better than the Bronco's

http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/pro...&pf_id=0030525

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ACTIVE INGREDIENTS:
*PERMETHRIN 0.20%
PYRETHRINS 0.10%
**N-OCTYL BICYCLOHEPTENE DICARBOXIMIDE 0.50%
OTHER INGREDIENTS 99.20%
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