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Old 04-17-2009, 06:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What size generator can run a Hobart Handler 210?

I'm going to look for a generator to keep in my trailer for events this year but I'd like to get one that may be able to run my welder also. The welder is a Hobart Handler 210 which is a small welder but still a 220. How many watts does the generator need to be to run a 220 welder?
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Use the West Virginia Formula

W = V*A

You know the voltage and you know how many amps you are running it at, so you know the wattage required. Quick google search brings this:

Current Range: 30-210 amp,

So rage is:
W = 30 * 220
W = 6600
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W = 210*220
W = 46200

Your wattage range would be 6600 - 46200. find out how many amps you run on what settings and you should be able to find a generator to handle it.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:12 AM   #3 (permalink)
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A 46kw gen will be trailer mounted.
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Use the West Virginia Formula

W = V*A

You know the voltage and you know how many amps you are running it at, so you know the wattage required. Quick google search brings this:

Current Range: 30-210 amp,

So rage is:
W = 30 * 220
W = 6600
and
W = 210*220
W = 46200

Your wattage range would be 6600 - 46200. find out how many amps you run on what settings and you should be able to find a generator to handle it.
that's not right. the welder may output 210 amps, but it sure isn't sucking that in. find out how many amps it takes to feed it. i'm guessing 30-40 but double check, then use that formula. i'd guess a 7k watt generator would work.
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My mm210 pulls in up to 30A IIRC.

Probably want your generator to be at least 8,000 running continuous.
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Use the West Virginia Formula

W = V*A

You know the voltage and you know how many amps you are running it at, so you know the wattage required. Quick google search brings this:

Current Range: 30-210 amp,

So rage is:
W = 30 * 220
W = 6600
and
W = 210*220
W = 46200

Your wattage range would be 6600 - 46200. find out how many amps you run on what settings and you should be able to find a generator to handle it.
the 30-210 amp is on the output though, which is only a max of 34 volts. That gives you a max of 7,140 watts, Hobarts website lists it as needing a 4,600 watt input though.

http://hobartwelders.com/products/wirefeed/handler210/
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Ok, I found it. According to Hobarts site if I read it corrrectly volts are 230 at 24 amps input.
230v * 24 = 5520 watts. I'm sure I want need it on the max setting so a 5500 - 6000 should do it. Thanks.
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Ive read that migs can be funky when working off of a gen. I would do a lot more research before buying one.
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We use a hobart handler 210 off a generator here at work all the time. Runs great. Its just a small gas generator, two guys can easily lift it into a 1 ton dodge dually. I will go look at the amp/watt specs on it.
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I would suggest running a 7.5k genny which is about 5k continuous.

This is what I use to fun my Lincoln 175 mig. It works great IMO. Never had an issue. Just I made sure to run short bust welding thick steel 1 to 2 passes then let it set for a min or two, because the duty cycle will be trying to keep up.
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What size breaker do you run the welder off of at home? Mine is on a 50 Amp. Many people run their welders off of standard 30 Amp dryer outlets (with the correct plug). Worst case scenario W=50*210 or 10500 I would think. ChiScouter is completely correct. Most “home use” generators produce a square wave instead of a perfect sine wave. I have hear it called “dirty AC”. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I would suggest talking to a welding shop rep. I am looking at getting a newer Lincoln Ranger because it has compensated for the dirty AC affects of the generator portion and you can run other welders off its outlets. Talk to the experts. I am not one.
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I have a Lincoln 110v 180a that I've tried to run on a 3500w gen and it won't run it.
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Check with 100dollarman (whatever his name is) about finding you a used 15KW TQG from military surplus. It will run on diesel, has sound baffles so as not to be extremely loud, can be skid- or trailer-mounted, and has the proper sine wave for running your welder. You should be able to pick one of those up on the cheap.

BTW: That's 15KW CONTINUOUS output. The safety shutdown is set for 18KW, so you can easily run a couple welders off it, or a welder and whatever else you want. It will also run 12 hours on a tank of fuel, so no worries about refilling a hot generator.
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Renegade™ 180

Industry-first all-in-one wire welder/generator

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/.../renegade_180/
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http://www.millerwelds.com/products/.../renegade_180/
that is bad ass and all, but MM210 $600, Generator to push it $600. Plus you can use the welder at home/garage.
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that is bad ass and all, but MM210 $600, Generator to push it $600. Plus you can use the welder at home/garage.

The Renegade can be plugged in to the wall at home and used as a normal welder.

I linked it for the cool factor and for the specs.

Dual Power: 230 V, 19.5 A, 60 Hz, Single-Phase, or 10 HP engine @ 3600 RPM

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Generator Output - Rated at 104°F (40°C)5000 Watts Peak, 4500 Watts Continuous

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Looks like a 10HP 5,000w gen may work fine with a 180 welder. The 210 is not a big stretch from there.

Besides the original question was not what is the cheapest option. I have worked out of a trailer in remote locations. Having a welder and generator in one small package, that is easy to load, and takes up less space would be worth some more $$ to me.
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I hear ya on the bling factor for sure. I doubt it would be able to handle being bolted down into the back of a flatbed. I doubt it can handle being in the rain and shit. No way would I want to load and unload 275 lbs each time I needed it. But way cool, props on that part.

edit: And I am running a MM180 not the MM210
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that is bad ass and all, but MM210 $600, Generator to push it $600. Plus you can use the welder at home/garage.
show me where you can get a mm210 for $600. at cyberweld they're just shy of $1k.
edit: didn't know miller made a something compatible to the hh210. saw the 211 for $1k, and figured it was the latest version of the 210.

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show me where you can get a mm210 for $600. at cyberweld they're just shy of $1k.
edit: didn't know miller made a something compatible to the hh210. saw the 211 for $1k, and figured it was the latest version of the 210.
I had to edit my post, I have the 180, not 210

cool deal on ebay for the Renegade 180
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With the Renegade you can also use the 3035 spool gun and extension and weld 45 ft away. With proper ventilation you would not even have to take it out of the trailer.
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With the Renegade you can also use the 3035 spool gun and extension and weld 45 ft away. With proper ventilation you would not even have to take it out of the trailer.
Weld on the rig while riding down the highway? Just keep the roof vent open and strap the generator to the tongue to the trailer.
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When I bought my Lincoln SP-175 Plus, I called the factory and asked if my Northstar Honda-powered 4500/5500 genset would run the SP-175 and they said it would.

I've used it to weld at a friend's house who didn't have 220 VAC and it does indeed work.

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