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Old 10-21-2009, 05:44 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I do like the hounds, but can't sell myself on a scent hound as I intend to do a lot of off leash training with this dog, and also intend to leave it to it's own devices @ the cabin while I work for an hour or so. I've heard too much about scent hounds just following their noses 10-20 miles away, never to be seen again.

Another quick question... WTF is UKC? a quick google search yields nothing as far as AKC = American kennel club.. CKC.. etc... is UKC something or nothing?
You are correct about hounds. They don't hunt with you, you hunt with them. Don't ever turn one loose without your light, boots, coat, and water. Once they strike a line, they are going to stick to it until it trees, holes, or bays.

UKC is the United Kennel Club. IMO it is the best dog registry out there. Their focus is hunting dogs, making the breed better, and supporting hunting dog rights.

AKC in nothing but a money organization that is in bed with the HSUS. HSUS is the biggest anti-hunting lobby in the U.S.

NKC is the National Kennel Club. They aren't as big as UKC, and about all NKC dogs are registered with UKC and/or AKC.

Don't let papers make your decision on a dog. It cost $7-10 for the breeder to register each pup. For some reason people think a "papered" dog is worth $100 more than a one without. Many of the best dogs I have seen didn't have papers. I'll stop there because I could go on for days how papers and pedigrees have ruined breeds because people breed papers, not dogs.
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What if a person wants a pet that occasionally accompanys him into the woods for some hunting... not necessarily as a huting dog, or working dog, but as an old friend...
Any dog will do that. Don't get a hunting breed unless you intend on hunting.

Hunting with a dog that doesn't hunting is only hiking with a gun. The dog will inevitably interfere with every thing you are trying to do. Once in a 1000 times it will actual help the situation. So if you are hunting, leave the pet at the house. If you want to hike through the woods with a gun an a dog, any dog will do. If you want to hunt with a dog, get a hunting dog.

As far as dogs go, I have been most impressed with cur breeds. I have an original mountain cur. Mine is a bit quirky, but he is gamey, trees game, and listens very well. He is one of the most obedient dogs I have ever owned.

At times he will go out and tree a squirrel. If I don't feel like walking into to the tree I can yell, "He's in the hole boy. Come on let's go". He will leave the tree and come back to me. I put a shock collar on him as a pup in the woods. The single time I shocked him was because he and my friend's dog kept fighting him. My friend's dog was starting them, so they both ended up with shock collars.

He's not the best squirrel dog I have seen, but he does a good job. My wife likes him around the house (though he is not protective of the house). He is hard on house cats, and about anything that will climb a tree. He has never run a deer. Mine is not gritty enough for my tastes (I call him vagina jimmy). Though he can get ill on a tree, or over downed game. I'll never breed him because I don't think he is an ideal specimen. However, I will feed him until he dies.

He is perfectly fine laying around the house, and off leash in the yard. However, you cannot leave him unattended. If you go in the house, and he doesn't - he is gone hunting. I have had people call me and ask me if was out. I'd say "yes". They would say they had seen him 6 miles away.

This pic is from last year. John Jimmy the cur.
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John Jimmy is about 55-60#.
He can run and run. He goes along with me when I ride my ATV to feed the cows, visit neighbors, and hunt. He runs along side and can maintain 20 mph indefinitely. I can speed him up to about 27 mph, but he will burn out quickly and fall behind.

We hunt him from trucks and ATV's regularly. We ride/drive along about 10 mph and he runs along ahead of us. When he smells, sees, or hears something he takes off. We stop and wait. If he trees, we go in to him. If he can't figure it out, he comes back. We take off again. We road hunted about 12 miles last time out (6 out and 6 back).
There have been days we road hunted around 20 miles and he was still going strong.
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Looking at picking up a Ridgeback pup when I get home. Anyone here own one? They seem to be a good hearty breed, good for outdoors and also a good guard dog. Thoughts?
I have had them since I was a kid and they are great dogs.

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I've already got a male boxer, but he can't keep up with me outside.. At just 2.5 Y.O. after a long day at the cabin he shows signs of hip pain. He also can't handle extreme heat or cold very well.. something the RR was bred to be able to endure.

...And he's dumb as a brick
They do not handle cold well since they do not have an undercoat.

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Our's is a Rhodesian/Great Dane mix. Got him at 2 yr's old. He's also loyal, affectionate and smart. The only problems we've had is he hated the mailman, doesn't bother him anymore. He also opens the lid on the garbage can and looks in for anything interesting, we turned it to face the wall. He doesn't leave the yard, even without a leash.
Rhodesians come off the great dane line or the mastiff line.

They are very loyal and easily taught if you have a strong personality. You can not baby them / let the wife baby them or they will run over you. Get a female, they are smarter and easier to train. I took my female on the road to work with me for 2 years and she was great. took her for a five mile run in the morning and left her in the airstream all day with no problems.

They have some health problems such as Torsion. I burried my 125 lb 4 year old this spring.
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You can not baby them / let the wife baby them or they will run over you.
I've noticed that. Patty makes it sound like a suggestion, I tell him what to do. He listens to me 99% of the time.
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Do you get mailing from American Plott Association?
They have articles in Full Cry magazine every month. They tell a lot of history of the breed. Plotts are very common here, but I am only 6 hours north of where they originated. They are a hound, and many are too gritty for coon hounds. Most people run them on bears. The ones I know that coon hunt plotts, only take one dog at a time to avoid trouble at the tree.
I have seen a couple Plott crosses that made nice dogs. They had more grit than the averge hound, but it wasn't out of control.
I do not get the mailings. My Plott is not registered, nor is he 100% plott. We happened upon him really by chance. A local breeder had one of their bitches get loose when in heat, and got busy with the Lab down the road. Supposedly.

He was 1 of 3 in the litter. I dunno what happened to the other 3, but rumor has it that the breeder put them down.

Here he is, 2 weeks ago @ 7 weeks old. A wopping 8 pounds of terror. He is pushing 12 lbs now.

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So far he seems to be 100% Plott. Nose to the ground 70% of the time, but very smart, learns quick, and scarfs food down just like every other Plott. At 9 weeks old now, he is leash trained, 80% potty trained, responds well to "Sit" and "Come", and are currently working him morning and night with additional obedience commands.

He also has the incredible energy and stamina. We are walking him 3x a day.
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I've noticed that. Patty makes it sound like a suggestion, I tell him what to do. He listens to me 99% of the time.
That is something Im trying to explain to my wife about how she "commands" our pup.

He just looks at her.... and says... "yeah, right"

With most dogs, commands need to be firm. You cannot half-ass it, or they will run you over.
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IHe was 1 of 3 in the litter. I dunno what happened to the other 3, but rumor has it that the breeder put them down.
That is what you do with unwanted dogs. If someone can't handle it, they need to have their dogs spayed/nuetered.

A friend has a hound/lab cross. Black as coal, ears a little short for a hound, web feet, and a lab coat. She is smart dog, energetic, and has already treed coons and squirrels. However, she has taken a liking to chasing deer and that may be her demise. Deer chasers don't last too long in my area.

Plott hounds originated in North Carolina, and is the state dog. Typical color is dark brindle. However, in the old days there are pictures of quite a few "high tans". Brown/reddish dogs with a black saddle blanket.
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That is something Im trying to explain to my wife about how she "commands" our pup.

He just looks at her.... and says... "yeah, right"

With most dogs, commands need to be firm. You cannot half-ass it, or they will run you over.
It is the same way with kids. You have to use a stern voice at times to get their attention. After you spank them once while using that voice. They will react from then on to that voice without spanking.
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I'm not sure if mines pure Rhodesian, but she's damn close if not full and is an awesome dog - smart, good with people, good with other dogs (including small ones). Loves to swim, if there's water around she's in it to win it . Somebody dumped here in my yard when she was a few weeks old, she's now 10 yrs old. I will definitely have another one someday, she's a notch more mellow than all my labs have been.

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I have two Ridgebacks. We looked at Danes, Wiems, Ridgebacks, and Vizlas. We wanted a big dog that was mellow and a good hiking/running partners. I loved the danes, but a little too much dog for my wife. Wiems were great but required tons of attention and time walking to keep the energy level tollerable. Vizlas were great, but a little small for what we wanted. Our Ridgebacks have been great. Both mother and father are champions. Our two, Jackson and Meadow, both have imperfections to the bread standard and would have otherwise been put down, but our breader okayed them as pets if we spayed/neutered them.


Jackson is on the left. He is the breed standard, but has white paws. Meadow on the right is 4 inches too tall and was born without a ridge.

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Why did you breed them if both of them don't meet the breed standards?
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Why did you breed them if both of them don't meet the breed standards?
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Why did you breed them if both of them don't meet the breed standards?

Yeah... we didn't... they are brother and sister. Both our spayed/nuetered. We weren't' lookin for a show dog, just a pet. The pups in the pic were my two with all their brothers/sisters and their mom. The other 9 pups were show quality.

Show dog breeding is a whole nother world. I think its nuts personally, but regardless the rhodesians are great dogs.
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I understand the reasoning behind the breeding standards, but the way most breeders respond to people looking for simply a good dog (as a pet) is laughable. Most will not even consider you as a potential buyer if you mention the words "pet quality"

Even more laughable when you consider the fact that a simple cross has the potential to be MUCH more healthy than a pure-breed.

So many breeders are into it for the money, and and the dogs.
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Here's the little girl we've reserved. Awesome looking dog, with a great temperment!
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Already got one. Now deciding between in-home classes, and doing the 'basic training' style, give them my dog for a month type deal. I think I'll do in home.
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Updates on your Rhodesian Ridgeback?

I picked up a Rhodesian ridgeback this Halloween.. He's 5m/o and 60lbs! Named him Shadow for the abnormal amount of black on his front end - chest, face, and ears.. More than normal, and I love it. He was born without a ridge, but has a little swirl of fur right behind his shoulders.. He is very intelligent, and loves tasks; or chasing the laser pointer.





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I love Rhodesians. My current Nala dog is 1/2 Rhodesian Ridgeback and 1/2 Thai Ridgeback so I just call her a 100% Ridgeback.

Everyone thinks she's a lab/Rhodie X but she has no lab in her whatsoever. She would likely not make a good hunting dog but I didn't get her for hunting. She is a pet and a companion to my family. Right now she's depressed because we just brought home our 2nd daughter and she knows that her fun time will be reduced again but she is as gentile with kids as I could ever hope.

Doesn't like water, is timid around packs of dogs, can't force herself to bark but usually has a low growl culminating in a deep bey.

She certainly has sight hound traits as she will see something off in the distance and bolt for it with no concern for anything else. It's taken me a long time to get her to listen to a stay or come command when she sees something and even now it's only abou 75% depending on what she sees and the mood she's in..


100% awesome family dog is about all I can say.



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Already got one. Now deciding between in-home classes, and doing the 'basic training' style, give them my dog for a month type deal. I think I'll do in home.
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My roomate has a Ridgeback/lab/retriever mix pup of some kind, great dog, super energetic, real friendly. Medium size, real skinny.



I did just happen to get the right picture when the puppy and her were playing though!



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...people breed papers, not dogs.
No doubt.

Breeding is supposed to be about bringing the best out in a breed. That is what breeding is, in my opinion.

I'm even OK with people selling out off-color dogs and requiring they be neutered/spayed... or even off-height dogs and whatnot.

When a dog is culled because of those things, that is when I think it is bullshit. White GSDs are culled by some - because it isn't a GSD according to the AKC. Shit like that is just uber-fucked in my mind.
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^ Agreed. My wife's boss bought 2 Rhodesian Ridgeback several years ago from a breeder who was sending them to be put down because they had no ridges. I think they got them for free. I paid $400 for our ridgeless dog, and I'm perfectly happy with that. The breeder that we got him from wasn't going to put him or his brother down for having the lack of a ridge.

Ridge or no ridge, white feet, too tall, it doesn't matter.. There is still someone out there that can use a companion around the house. We signed an agreement that we would not enter our dog into any shows that compete breeds, and were cool with that. We could compete him in sport type competitions, just not any that judge on breed specifics.

Anyone else with RR's have the electric wire/cables chewed off of appliances around the house? First week we had Shadow we lost cords to a dvd player, small tv, and a vacuum. We now supply him with enough bones to keep him occupied when he's not tormenting our 5y/o Golden Retriever.

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