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SORRY FOR THE CROSS POST BUT IF THIS ISN'T STOPPED TODAY IT WILL BE GONE!!!!
SaveRForestsFromUSFS "Charouleau Gap 4x4 Road #736" I desperately need pirate4x4's help on this, anyone in the Tucson area or anywhere. ![]() PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO: YouTube - SaveRForestsFromUSFS.wmv "Charouleau Gap 4x4 Road #736" 2-09-10 Tucson, AZ Charouleau Gap 4x4 Road #736 Coronado National forest is under attack...by the United States Forest Service! As I post this the one to two foot thick granite surface of these mountains is being stripped away by the USFS with federal stimulus funds. Once the stagecoach road connecting Tucson with Florence Arizona in our Territorial days, this scenic road has been traveled for decades by 4x4 enthusiasts, mountain bikers, hikers, horseback riders and a diversity of users who embrace the natural beauty of the Catalina mountains. The value of multi-use land management is best demonstrated thus: Motorized OHV users call in one voice with the Center for Biological Diversity, HALT THIS DESTRUCTION NOW! http://s850.photobucket.com/albums/a...ForestService/ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The goal of the USFS is to turn "Charouleau Gap 4x4 Road #736" into a dirt road so they can build hiking trails without having to travel over the existing road. The claim by the USFS is that this work is covered under their NEPA "road maintainance". This work far exceeds the scope of "road maintainance". ![]() Please call your local representatives and ask them to call!! Call your local USFS office today and demand that the destruction stop! Coronado National Forest Supervisor's Office Jeanine Derby, Forest Supervisor 300 W. Congress St. Tucson, AZ 85701 (520) 388-8300 Corbin Newman (Region III) 505-842-3300 Tom Tidwell D.C. Chief of USDA Forest Service 1(800)832-1355
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WOW, The comment that " we are just doing our jobs " was used by other government employees back in the 1930's to justify their crimes.
What were they afraid of by speeding off ?
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so, they are destroying a natural 4x4 trail so they could tear out more natural elements to cut new trails for hikers to go on, who in turn will bitch that the trails for the 4x4's should be closed because they are damaging to the environment. wait....what? does that asshole from tucson who supports HR1925 to shut utah care about this? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400162 Last edited by 61scout80; 02-10-2010 at 10:59 AM. |
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Grijalva's office has been in the loop from the beginning on this, I just got off the phone with his aide, Chris Kaumo.
Janine Derby the USFS Coronado National Forest, Forest Supervisor ((520) 388-8300 jderby@fs.fed.us ) is telling them that this is just "routine road maintainance". Her boss, Corbin Newman ( cnewman@fs.fed.us ) is out of the office but i am told by his aide that he will take a closer look based on the video. Please call or e-mail these people and everyone you can think of, the one to two foot thick layer of granite they are stripping off the mountain can't be replaced EVER!!! I'm begging them to stop for 48hours and take another look at their insanity. It's as if they are ripping out a highway (2 ft thick smooth granite) to build a dirt road. ![]() ![]()
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From: Web -Newsmanager <NewsManager@FOXNEWS.COM>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:56 PM To: dcmtucson@cox.net <dcmtucson@cox.net> Subject: Not read: "Charouleau Gap 4x4 Road #736" Size: 3 KB Attachments: Your message was deleted without being read on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:56:41 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Final-recipient: RFC822; NewsManager@FOXNEWS.COM Disposition: automatic-action/MDN-sent-automatically; deleted X-MSExch-Correlation-Key: a+1BurnK+0OOuln+qlAdyA== Original-Message-ID: <20100210154517.MTSMU.24302.imail@fed1rmwml46> X-Display-Name: Web -Newsmanager |
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What the is up with the Rough Riders? Maybe I should have discovered this a while ago.....
TUCSON ROUGHRIDERS, INC. http://starpas.cc.state.az.us/script...pe=CORPORATION JIM BEDWELL SECRETARY 8735 E 27TH ST TUCSON,AZ 85710 Date of Taking Office: 06/01/2006 Last Updated: 06/18/2007 http://www.fs.fed.us/news/2006/relea...creation.shtml Quote:
is this who "approved" this?![]() Please someone tell me this is not the same "Jim Bedwell". |
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Considering other routes/trails that are being bulldozed in AZ, this doesnt surprise me.
The USFS is up to no good under the guise of trail/road "maintenance". I can't believe the greenies aren't up in arms over this. Imagine what would happen if if a 4x4 group went out and did the same thing! |
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Fuckers. I am shocked there aren't a dozen tree-hugging patchouli wearing folks up there tied to the equipment already. Someone find a "Green" web-forum and post this up! I am also not surprised; there is always talk and legislation on the table that would infringe on public use of public & USFS land. Been going on for decades, only the initiating faces have changed.
I never got to run that little gem of a trail & it was near the top once my truck is built I'll put in a call to the above mentioned paper-pushing bureaucrat dickheads.
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Jim Bedwell of the Tucson Rough Riders just called me to confirm that he was on site yesterday and he "sees no problem with the work".
His phone # is listed in the phone book. http://www.123people.com/s/jim+bedwell Perhaps he will listen to someone else's concern in this matter. |
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yup....i think some fellows in Nuremberg said the same thing. |
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Good luck with the meeting today. Sent an email Quote:
I was thinking about this...but it could come back to bite us in the ass. The green machine seems to be pretty powerful and if their attention were brought to this they may be able to help stop it. Unfortunately, though, once it was stopped who's to say they wouldn't focus their attention on shutting down the trail to motorized vehicles completely...
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Do they have an environmental impact study? Who needs to be contacted to get an injunction in order for a study to be done? The way I see it, removing solid surface to make a "dirt" road will cause a major impact on erosion in the area. Shouldn't that have been evaluated before the work began?
Edit, just fired this off to the e-mails in the first post.: I'm writing you in regards to the work being done on Charouleau Gap 4x4 Road #736. I feel the removal of the granite rocks will cause major impacts on the erosion and environment of the area. Shouldn't this type of work require an environmental impact study prior to being done. What you are doing is not "road maintenance", it is destruction of a historic route and a blatant disregard for the environment in that area. Please stop the destruction immediately and reevaluate what it is that you are doing, before you completely destroy something that will never be able to be repaired.
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