Hummer HX time frame?

[Hellbound13]

Does anyone have a guess on when we will see the Hummer HX in production? Do you think they will keep the removable top/doors?

[Citzen_Hawk]

Originally Posted by Hellbound13

Does anyone have a guess on when we will see the Hummer HX in production?

I'm no expert, so take this as speculation

If they keep it as we saw it at least one year would be a safe guess. tooling, parts order/production/delivery, crash test, epa certification, Kalifornia certs, assembly line training, road testing, environmental testing, Paint adherent testing, vendor supply line, etc.

Removable doors would probably depend on the results of the crash tests. China has a very poor track history when it comes to their crash tests.

ttops will probably be a go, as the still have the center structural support for roll overs, Just like the fbodies (camaro/Firebird)

will it have the the same drive train? Will the high tech center console be in it? what about the video camera and mydrive system? will it have the suspension seats? Will it have a radio option , Just an ipod is limiting? Will it have the HX branded tools?

theres a lot of things that can change its production cycle

[Hellbound13]

Originally Posted by Citzen_Hawk

I'm no expert, so take this as speculation

If they keep it as we saw it at least one year would be a safe guess. tooling, parts order/production/delivery, crash test, epa certification, Kalifornia certs, assembly line training, road testing, environmental testing, Paint adherent testing, vendor supply line, etc.

Removable doors would probably depend on the results of the crash tests. China has a very poor track history when it comes to their crash tests.

ttops will probably be a go, as the still have the center structural support for roll overs, Just like the fbodies (camaro/Firebird)

will it have the the same drive train? Will the high tech center console be in it? what about the video camera and mydrive system? will it have the suspension seats? Will it have a radio option , Just an ipod is limiting? Will it have the HX branded tools?

theres a lot of things that can change its production cycle

Why would Chinas crash test history matter if they are being made here?

[Citzen_Hawk]

Originally Posted by Hellbound13

Why would Chinas crash test history matter if they are being made here?

Because they will want to pass NHSA, insurance standards, and European crash tests. Not passing will be a black eye in media's view and those sentiments will be shared by the general public. So its possible that a traditional door could be used as they tend to protect the occupants from a side impact better than a exterior hinged light weight door that is designed to be removed.

If I remember correctly nothing says the have to make them in the US. If I also remember correctly the hummer plant in Louisiana is only contracted by the Chinese to be open for a year after that they can do what they please. Considering the labor costs, the lack of governmental oversight, no unions, and supply costs I suspect the plant wont be open for long unless the labor, and supply costs can meet the Chinese prices.

But hey I'm no expert on the subject, so I might be full of it. I know that I really like the HX (I have a minature on my desk), and I hope that it's not a failure.

[Hellbound13]

Well I really hope they make the doors removable. That would draw a lot of the Jeeps folks and is one reason I have not strayed from the Wrangler. You would think if the Wrangler with its thing sheet metal and removable doors could pass that they could get the HX with removable doors to pass also.

I really hope Hummer does not stray far from the concept like they did the with H3T and screw this up big time.

[boom harvey]

I don't see them advertising a removable door as some states require a side wall (think of stepping into a Wrangler and having to bring your foot over the lip). If you look at the HX it does not have any side protection like that. I have heard that we are about 18 months from having them on the ground.

[forsakenfuture]

Wasnt there an article posted on here not to long ago that said if it makes it to production it would be atleast three years away?

[Hellbound13]

How hard would it be to bring a sidewall into production though?

Personally I think if they do not include the removable doors they are making a HUGE mistake.

If they really want to revamp the brand and make it a success then they need to get back to the off road roots and off road people like open air with no doors.

Not to mention how many people who never go off road love it too.

As far as three years, GM had green lighted the project in 2007 before suspending it in late 2008. I would think most of the leg work is already completed, no?

Also I just read the deal won't get approval from the Chinese gov till 2010, does that mean they won't even begin the development process on their new vehicles till then?

[FJCruisin_Wa]

It kinda looks like they may already have "the lip" built into the design.



I've never seen this in person, so mayeb i am wrong but that pictures makes it look like the lip is about the same size as my wranglers.

Interesting concept and I hope they are able to bring it to market.

[forsakenfuture]

Originally Posted by Hellbound13

How hard would it be to bring a sidewall into production though?

Personally I think if they do not include the removable doors they are making a HUGE mistake.

If they really want to revamp the brand and make it a success then they need to get back to the off road roots and off road people like open air with no doors.

Not to mention how many people who never go off road love it too.

As far as three years, GM had green lighted the project in 2007 before suspending it in late 2008. I would think most of the leg work is already completed, no?

Also I just read the deal won't get approval from the Chinese gov till 2010, does that mean they won't even begin the development process on their new vehicles till then?

This was posted by Bebe in another thread...

"Hummer CEO's Wish List: Updated H2, H3; H4 Still Possible
Posted Today 10:45 AM by Zach Gale

Hummer H3 Possible Hummer Future Plans Revealed by Brand's CEO

Until General Motors' deal with Chinese-based company Tengzhong to buy Hummer is finalized, the brand's future has been put on pause.

But when and if the deal is, in fact, completed, Hummer CEO Jim Taylor has some future product plans for the brand that he recently shared with Automotive News. In recent years Hummer has become the poster child for bloated, inefficient SUVs, and the brand has been plagued by plunging sales as a result.

We'll start with the Hummer H2, production of which ended in December 2008. Taylor says there are proposed styling and engineering changes on the drawing board for the model, although he wasn't specific. Tengzhong has reportedly seen the future H2 plans and apparently supports the changes. Should demand for H2s suddenly spike, he estimates it will take three or four months to get the Mishawaka, Indiana, plant functioning again, and that an updated H2 wouldn't roll into dealerships for at least two years.

As for the H3, a diesel model is reportedly planned, but not for the U.S. market. Taylor said a styling refresh is also in the works for the H3, which is built on GM's Colorado/Canyon mid-size truck platform, the future of which is unclear. Like the H2, the changes would materialize some two to three years after the deal is completed.

What's not clear at this point is whether a separate, Jeep Wrangler-fighting H4 model (remember the HX concept, above?) or an additional H3 variant will be added to the lineup. The H4, which was supposedly a year away from production under the old GM, would be smaller than an H3 with styling similar to the HX concept. Taylor indicated that -- you guessed it -- it would take two-and-a-half years after the Tengzhong deal for an H4 model to be built if it were approved.

So with the Hummer sale still in a holding pattern, it seems unlikely that we will see any significant changes to the Hummer lineup until 2011 at the earliest."

[Bebe]

YouTube - Hummer HX concept

[Murfman1967]

Originally Posted by boom harvey

I don't see them advertising a removable door as some states require a side wall (think of stepping into a Wrangler and having to bring your foot over the lip). If you look at the HX it does not have any side protection like that. I have heard that we are about 18 months from having them on the ground.

Have you looked at the JK Wrangler? There is hardly any side wall, the sill in no higher than many cars.

[boom harvey]

Most states have rules about having something to prevent your feet from slipping out of the vehicle (ie Jeep has a threshold for you hence can have the doors off leaglly)

[DirtyFun]

Originally Posted by Citzen_Hawk

I'm no expert, so take this as speculation

China has a very poor track history when it comes to their crash tests.

You numbnuts...

HUMMER vehicles will still be built in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.

[Citzen_Hawk]

Originally Posted by DirtyFun

You numbnuts...

HUMMER vehicles will still be built in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.

"Under the agreement, HUMMER would contract vehicle manufacturing, key components and business services from GM during a defined transitional time period. For example, GM’s Shreveport assembly plant would continue to contract assemble the H3 and H3T and AM General’s Mishawaka assembly plant will continue to assemble the H2. Both facilities will produce the specified vehicles until June 2011, with an optional one year extension until June 2012. The deal is expected to secure more than 3,000 jobs in the U.S. related to the sale and manufacturing of HUMMER vehicles."

So the foreseeable future is one model year? Again the HX is not a current production vehicle so they can produce it anywhere.

[DirtyFun]

Originally Posted by Citzen_Hawk

"Under the agreement, HUMMER would contract vehicle manufacturing, key components and business services from GM during a defined transitional time period. For example, GM’s Shreveport assembly plant would continue to contract assemble the H3 and H3T and AM General’s Mishawaka assembly plant will continue to assemble the H2. Both facilities will produce the specified vehicles until June 2011, with an optional one year extension until June 2012. The deal is expected to secure more than 3,000 jobs in the U.S. related to the sale and manufacturing of HUMMER vehicles."

So the foreseeable future is one model year? Again the HX is not a current production vehicle so they can produce it anywhere.

You really need to branch out and try to read from more than one source. And why would a foreign investor spend the $$$ to buy an American icon and then piss it away by moving production to a country that is the antithesis of the brand?

Under the agreement, HUMMER would contract vehicle manufacturing, key components and business services from GM during a defined transitional time period. For example, GM’s Shreveport assembly plant would continue to contract assemble the H3 and H3T and AM General’s Mishawaka assembly plant will continue to assemble the H2. Both facilities will produce the specified vehicles until June 2011, with an optional one year extension until June 2012. The deal is expected to secure more than 3,000 jobs in the U.S. related to the sale and manufacturing of HUMMER vehicles.
HUMMER will continue to be managed by members of its existing leadership team including James Taylor, who will remain in his current role as HUMMER’s chief executive officer. Prior to joining HUMMER, Taylor was General Manager of Cadillac where he oversaw a reinvigoration of the brand, leading key innovations in design and technology as well as the development of new models.
“We are fortunate to have a partner who understands and recognizes the importance of continuing investment in HUMMER’s heritage as a U.S.-based and branded company with a view toward capitalizing on global opportunities,” said Taylor. “Backed by a privately owned and well-capitalized company, we are going to be able to focus on providing customers with more efficient models that deliver HUMMER’s promise of authentic, purpose-built design and engineering.”

http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news...or-hummer-sale

[Citzen_Hawk]

Originally Posted by DirtyFun

You really need to branch out and try to read from more than one source. And why would a foreign investor spend the $$$ to buy an American icon and then piss it away by moving production to a country that is the antithesis of the brand?

http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news...or-hummer-sale

That statement still says the same thing I posted. All it includes is some non-contractual propaganda. Also I'm not saying they will just that they could. I also posted the following prior to your first post in regards to the Chinese having crash test problems.

"Not passing will be a black eye in media's view and those sentiments will be shared by the general public."

It doesn't matter if it's made in the USA it is still owned by the Chinese and they will want the appearance that nothing has changed for the worse. Failure in the tests will probably be viewed as the Chinese are cutting corners.

[DirtyFun]

Originally Posted by Citzen_Hawk

That statement still says the same thing I posted. All it includes is some non-contractual propaganda. Also I'm not saying they will just that they could. I also posted the following prior to your first post in regards to the Chinese having crash test problems.

"Not passing will be a black eye in media's view and those sentiments will be shared by the general public."

It doesn't matter if it's made in the USA it is still owned by the Chinese and they will want the appearance that nothing has changed for the worse. Failure in the tests will probably be viewed as the Chinese are cutting corners.

Yeah, because they'll want to cut corners and piss away their investment and any potential of growing the brand.

[Citzen_Hawk]

Originally Posted by DirtyFun

Yeah, because they'll want to cut corners and piss away their investment and any potential of growing the brand.

and that is why it might not have removable doors

[BigKofJustice]

I think you'll find it hard for any manufacturer to offer "no doors" as an official option due to liability issues or DOT regulations.

I don't see an official option for Jeep, Toyota , Hummer or any other brand offering a door less option. Sure you may find a half door option [I couldn't find it with the current model vehicles], but all they need to do is leave it up to the end customer.

Use 6-12 bolts per door and a jumper harness for any electrical and leave it up to the customer on what to do with it. I don't see the big problem here.

As for foreign ownership, Jeeps half owned by Italians, Rover is owned by Indians.

China was the only ones left who was serious with hummer as they are flush with cash and is in buyout mode of large firms.

I think you would have had an American or Russian company buying out Hummer until they realized that AM General [H1/HMMWV] was not part of the deal, since they are separate from GM.

You'll see stateside production for Hummer for quite a while, if only to fall within NAFTA regulations for North American sales.

Of course the full details of the deal isn't public.

[Hellbound13]

Well the Wrangler has removable doors and sheet metal as thick as paper. If they can get it to pass i don't see why Hummer can't.

Omitting the removable doors and slant back design would be a HUGE mistake IMO. That is what made so many people fall in love with the concept.

[DirtyFun]

http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news...-possibly-2012

[shanna888]

vehicle to an open one. The HUMMER HX also was designed with several roof assemblies, allowing this versatile vehicle to be configured as an SUT (with the roof assembly removed), a stylish slant-back or a traditional, wagon-like design that offers a bit more cargo space.

The HUMMER HX was shown with a slant-back configuration, wearing a desert-inspired matte olive paint scheme, at the North American International Auto Show. Additional convertible features include:

Removable doors – easily removable pins in the exposed hinges allow the doors to be removed quickly – an appreciated feature of many serious off-roaders
Removable fender flares – attached with quarter-turn quick-release fasteners, the composite fender flares can be quickly removed for additional trail/rock clearance, or if the flare is damaged during off-road driving
"The modular design of the roof and removable body panels mark an evolution of HUMMER's design aesthetic," said Carl Zipfel, director of design. "These features demonstrate a deeper understanding of enthusiast desires when it comes to off-road driving – and the slant-back design gives the HUMMER HX a look all its own."
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[nasreen888]

The HUMMER of the future is coming. The new Hummer HX is on its way. After the long wait the vehicle was brought out by the company at the DETROIT 2008 car show. It was really a surprise when the first model of the vehicle was unveiled.

More compact than the Hummer H3 at 81 inches wide and with a 103 inches wheel base the HX concept is modular, an open air, two door all terrain vehicle. Laying the new way for innovation, the HX concept incorporates an E85(85% Ethanol and 15% gasoline) Flex Fuel 3.6L SIDI V-6, which is backed by a 6 speed automatic transmission. The HUMMER HX is easily convertible. This feature includes removable roof panels, flender flares and doors. With this new very useful feature the HUMMER HX easily gets accustomed to varied trail conditions, cargo needs and passenger whims.
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[Citzen_Hawk]

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