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Jes · 10-09-2010, 01:27 PM

Lookin' good, Bebe!

DOUG38S · 10-09-2010, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebe

WMS is 67"

10" is max with the shafts as is (OEM length). However, you can lengthen the intermediate and get much more depending on what you want for over all width.

RCV has an H2 shaft with a custom length IM, runs about $950.00 as side. It is bad azz. They changed the tripot inner to a rzeppa, and they look to be about the same size as a 934. (you could easily invest much less and build your own inner and have a custom shaft made using the OEM outer)

Compared to the 9", yes the LP D44 that we have fabbed is 25" flange to flange. The 9" in is about 4 inches wider.

MFS is making a cut down 9" that will be 16" flange to flange - but it won't be ready for KOH.

We tried as you can see to use the HP 44 TTB's and it was just more complicated than the LP SA 44.

Thanks for the info. Definately something that I will be looking into. I dont see myself building a dedicated IFS rig but I do see myself building a subframe that will bolt into place of the current straight axle for KOH and I'd like to experiment with some off the shelf parts prior to going full custom 300 and these parts might be the trick.

Bebe · 10-13-2010, 10:09 AM

Cool idea Doug, I'll look forward to your version too.

Bebe · 10-13-2010, 10:15 AM

Thanks to Will at 4Wheel Parts Sacramento - He delivered my new 365/75 R16 KM2's this morning!!!!!!

Here they are next to my 45K mile 315/75 R16's

38's look good! No Sawz All required!

For the A-arm attachment to the knuckle - a 1 1/4 inch heim (Thanks Dan at RuffStuff!) with a 7/8's"grade 10 cold rolled bolt made by CAT....

dfl701 · 10-13-2010, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebe

Thanks to Will at 4Wheel Parts Sacramento - He delivered my new 365/75 R16 KM2's this morning!!!!!!

Here they are next to my 45K mile 315/75 R16's

how much more life do you think those 35s have!??

looks good bebe!

Bebe · 10-13-2010, 11:18 AM

I think if you siped them, you could get another 20-25K. I got 60K out of my first set of 35' KM's, and now the Mexican is running them on his 4runner

They are 315/75 R16, not a popular size.

Bebe · 10-13-2010, 06:46 PM

Here is one 38 mounted on the Hutchinson

dfl701 · 10-13-2010, 08:13 PM

bebe im sure you have said it many times, but what rims are you runnin? those are nice!

Bebe · 10-13-2010, 08:20 PM

Those are what I am running - Hutchinson 2 piece double beadlocks. I love them!

dfl701 · 10-13-2010, 08:24 PM

i guess i should have read instead of drooling on the keyboard

krazykarl454 · 10-15-2010, 07:31 AM

you got a serious head on ur shoulders. glad to see your takin ifs to the next level. i have a 4-linked solid axle and it does me good, but my Dad swears by his IFS and tell ya what, he can go alot faster through the ruff stuff. hes going to love ur build, maybe ican talk himinto doin ur set up on his 2500hd. good luck, and im hooked

VXBigMeats · 10-16-2010, 07:42 PM

Looks good..
.I am doing a similar swap....

Why not use the factory GM 33 spline inner stub axles though? with a 33 spline locker, of course....seems "of the shelf"???

And what about a fabbing new oil pan, to raise up the D44 for much needed ground clearance?

Also, the H2 AWD has a MUCH better inboard CV joint....it is not a "Tripod"

Bebe · 10-16-2010, 08:58 PM

Oh Hey HUM-A-NUT! Have you started yours already?

To answer your questions...

The GM 33 spline is too short. I could post photos of them side by side if you would like to see for yourself.

I wanted 35 spline and an ARB.

The H3 shaft has an inner CV, but I'm pretty sure the H2 is a tripod/tripot. I know the GM 2500/3500 definitely has the Tripod/tripot. And when we ordered it from Napa, they show all three vehicle as being the same.

Regardless of what it is - that's what we are using.

We did a ton of work today, I'll post up some pics in a bit - and all I can say is - it works.

And it's crazy - I don't think ground clearance will be a problem.

Bebe · 10-16-2010, 11:59 PM

So today we cycled the suspension one last time, a little fine tuning, making sure as suspension was being cycled with the 38 mounted, that our geometry was still good.

It cycled perfectly!!!

So, Rick had the honors of getting out the plasma cutter, and started cutting off all all the junk on the frame.

FREE parts!!!!

All Gone

Bebe · 10-17-2010, 12:09 AM

And while Rick was busy cutting, Jeff finished up the differential. It is 29 7/8 flange to flange. The OEM AAM 760 IFS was 30 ".

And it is now ready for Dean to cut the long side.

Here is the short side

Next step is to set up the drop cradle, mount the axle and fabricate the A-arms.

jedrattle · 10-18-2010, 07:51 AM

Badass!!

I like those H3's. Too bad hummer went under!!

I wouldn't mind having one for the family truckster.

camo · 10-18-2010, 11:15 AM

Sorry I rained on your parade

But you know me...... Mr truthful

Bebe · 10-18-2010, 12:09 PM

LOL - knowledge is power - thanks for the tips.

So camo is informing me there are more appropriate Heim Joints to use for this build - as it is a daily driver/trail runner. (TechTim should patent that term - I really think it's going to catch on

)

We have chosen a 1.25" Heat/Cryo Treated Chromoly Rod ends for the mounting of the upper and lower A-arms. We are using the 7/8" to attach the upper A-arms and Delrin Bushings for the Lower A-Arm.

I'm looking at the Kartek, Poly Performance and McKenzies sites for other options.

Any input is appreciated. Thanks

GRMhick · 10-18-2010, 10:16 PM

Pretty rad build. I like seeing the IFS trail rig.

VXBigMeats · 10-19-2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camo

Sorry I rained on your parade

But you know me...... Mr truthful

Its sunny here...

VXBigMeats · 10-19-2010, 08:26 AM

QA-1 builds some nice ones also...

Bebe · 10-19-2010, 09:38 PM

Frame ground off and cleaned

Drop cradle IN!!!

42s on u · 10-20-2010, 08:03 AM

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Militaryman4455 · 10-20-2010, 01:03 PM

You're definitely doing this build right! Beefy as hell! Good job man... Cant wait to see it finished with the turdy 8's on there!

Bebe · 10-20-2010, 01:23 PM

Thank you, and thank you for your service.

I was beginning to wonder - it's been so quiet

Considered posting some bewber pics to liven things up - but then I thought better of it.

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Jes Rock God Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7575 Location: San Bruno, CA. Posts: 1,141	Lookin' good, Bebe! __________________ TDO Dysfunctional Rockcrawlers. URF Racing. JV rally post #31.

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Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Cool idea Doug, I'll look forward to your version too. __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-13-2010, 10:15 AM	#54 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Thanks to Will at 4Wheel Parts Sacramento - He delivered my new 365/75 R16 KM2's this morning!!!!!! Here they are next to my 45K mile 315/75 R16's 38's look good! No Sawz All required! For the A-arm attachment to the knuckle - a 1 1/4 inch heim (Thanks Dan at RuffStuff!) with a 7/8's"grade 10 cold rolled bolt made by CAT.... __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-13-2010, 11:18 AM	#56 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	I think if you siped them, you could get another 20-25K. I got 60K out of my first set of 35' KM's, and now the Mexican is running them on his 4runner They are 315/75 R16, not a popular size. __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-13-2010, 06:46 PM	#57 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Here is one 38 mounted on the Hutchinson __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-13-2010, 08:13 PM	#58 (permalink)
dfl701 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 126764 Location: Alabama Posts: 434	bebe im sure you have said it many times, but what rims are you runnin? those are nice! __________________ 83 k5 with typical rust

10-13-2010, 08:20 PM	#59 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Those are what I am running - Hutchinson 2 piece double beadlocks. I love them! __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-13-2010, 08:24 PM	#60 (permalink)
dfl701 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 126764 Location: Alabama Posts: 434	i guess i should have read instead of drooling on the keyboard __________________ 83 k5 with typical rust

10-15-2010, 07:31 AM	#61 (permalink)
krazykarl454 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Member # 87568 Location: saylorsburg, pa Posts: 126	you got a serious head on ur shoulders. glad to see your takin ifs to the next level. i have a 4-linked solid axle and it does me good, but my Dad swears by his IFS and tell ya what, he can go alot faster through the ruff stuff. hes going to love ur build, maybe ican talk himinto doin ur set up on his 2500hd. good luck, and im hooked __________________ 86' GMC 3500 cummins 5-Speed np205 4.56's D60/14 ff 40"mickeys 4-Linked front 4-door, tube bed

10-16-2010, 07:42 PM	#62 (permalink)
VXBigMeats Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Member # 170960 Posts: 21	Looks good.. .I am doing a similar swap.... Why not use the factory GM 33 spline inner stub axles though? with a 33 spline locker, of course....seems "of the shelf"??? And what about a fabbing new oil pan, to raise up the D44 for much needed ground clearance? Also, the H2 AWD has a MUCH better inboard CV joint....it is not a "Tripod"

10-16-2010, 08:58 PM	#63 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Oh Hey HUM-A-NUT! Have you started yours already? To answer your questions... The GM 33 spline is too short. I could post photos of them side by side if you would like to see for yourself. I wanted 35 spline and an ARB. The H3 shaft has an inner CV, but I'm pretty sure the H2 is a tripod/tripot. I know the GM 2500/3500 definitely has the Tripod/tripot. And when we ordered it from Napa, they show all three vehicle as being the same. Regardless of what it is - that's what we are using. We did a ton of work today, I'll post up some pics in a bit - and all I can say is - it works. And it's crazy - I don't think ground clearance will be a problem. __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL Last edited by Bebe; 10-16-2010 at 11:23 PM.

10-16-2010, 11:59 PM	#64 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	So today we cycled the suspension one last time, a little fine tuning, making sure as suspension was being cycled with the 38 mounted, that our geometry was still good. It cycled perfectly!!! So, Rick had the honors of getting out the plasma cutter, and started cutting off all all the junk on the frame. FREE parts!!!! All Gone __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL Last edited by Bebe; 10-17-2010 at 12:11 AM.

10-17-2010, 12:09 AM	#65 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	And while Rick was busy cutting, Jeff finished up the differential. It is 29 7/8 flange to flange. The OEM AAM 760 IFS was 30 ". And it is now ready for Dean to cut the long side. Here is the short side Next step is to set up the drop cradle, mount the axle and fabricate the A-arms. __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-18-2010, 07:51 AM	#66 (permalink)
jedrattle Rock God Join Date: Aug 2003 Member # 21750 Location: Riverside SoCal Posts: 1,485	Badass!! I like those H3's. Too bad hummer went under!! I wouldn't mind having one for the family truckster. __________________ Team RattleKann ROCKBRAWLERS

10-18-2010, 11:15 AM	#67 (permalink)
camo No comment Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 4 Location: Rubicon Posts: 27,073 Blog Entries: 1	Sorry I rained on your parade But you know me...... Mr truthful

10-18-2010, 12:09 PM	#68 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	LOL - knowledge is power - thanks for the tips. So camo is informing me there are more appropriate Heim Joints to use for this build - as it is a daily driver/trail runner. (TechTim should patent that term - I really think it's going to catch on ) We have chosen a 1.25" Heat/Cryo Treated Chromoly Rod ends for the mounting of the upper and lower A-arms. We are using the 7/8" to attach the upper A-arms and Delrin Bushings for the Lower A-Arm. I'm looking at the Kartek, Poly Performance and McKenzies sites for other options. Any input is appreciated. Thanks __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-18-2010, 10:16 PM	#69 (permalink)
GRMhick Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 87 Location: I live in hotels tear out the walls I have accountants pay for it all Posts: 7,203	Pretty rad build. I like seeing the IFS trail rig.

10-19-2010, 08:26 AM	#71 (permalink)
VXBigMeats Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Member # 170960 Posts: 21	QA-1 builds some nice ones also...

10-19-2010, 09:38 PM	#72 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Frame ground off and cleaned Drop cradle IN!!! __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL

10-20-2010, 01:03 PM	#74 (permalink)
Militaryman4455 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Member # 151742 Location: 21042 from:31036 Posts: 181	You're definitely doing this build right! Beefy as hell! Good job man... Cant wait to see it finished with the turdy 8's on there! __________________ MOD....WHEEL....BREAK....REPEAT Μολὼν λαβέ

10-20-2010, 01:23 PM	#75 (permalink)
Bebe flamethrower Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 75270 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 8,402	Thank you, and thank you for your service. I was beginning to wonder - it's been so quiet Considered posting some bewber pics to liven things up - but then I thought better of it. __________________ What's all the Hub-bub about Blue Stars??? Click Here MFS H3 Long Travel Build Bink'sFab Capt Ahab FZJ80 Build My Dad's cool HotRod Junk Haulin the Groceries AND Haulin the MAIL Last edited by Bebe; 10-20-2010 at 01:24 PM.

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