1958 ? IH Travellall? 3/4 ton 4x4 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

FastEddy · 11-05-2001, 06:20 AM

Just got in this "beverly Hillbillies" type of 4X4...paid the guy $80 canadian for it...but I really don't know what it is...you can see it here
http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/fasteddy454
click on "my toys" the photos are in the second page if I remember correctly....anyway, most of the body is cut off, except for the firewall/seat area...can't find a ser# anywhere...my guess is 1958 or close....must have been a panel or travell all type thing with the short wheelbase...and the auxilary heater under passenger side of the seat facing back....under the drivers seatback there is a tag that says "Cab ser #P1909" it's a 6cyl, 4spd, divorced transfercase, locking hubs, full floating axles, large 6bolt wheel pattern, 16 inch two piece rims (4 brand new bias grippers-no cracks) I would like to know what year and model she is, gear ratio's, type of transfercase, etc...so I can advertise the old girl for parts or whole...(or drop in my 500cid cadillac V8/turbo 400 auto and some nice tires and drag her to the mud bogs...what kind of gear reduction in the transfercase....any help much appreciated....even better if you want to buy her....

Scout Dude · 11-05-2001, 06:37 AM

I think that you may have been ripped off

T-case should be a divorced 205 (I think)
I think the only 6 cyl that Scouts used were AMC 258...but I really don't know $hit about Intls

Cliffy [JD] · 11-05-2001, 07:25 AM

WOW that's different. COOL

makkat · 11-05-2001, 07:47 AM

The engine is IH built, ~240ci.
The transfer case should be a 202, if it is a late 50's.
It is a 3/4 ton model, the front would be a closed 44 and the rear.....
I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong!

Chief yelling alot · 11-08-2001, 10:28 PM

Thats a 1960 B-120 travelall

Chief yelling alot · 11-08-2001, 10:50 PM

Might be a BG 264 I-6 or a BD (black diamond) 240 (that number might be wrong.) These engines are made by IH and are grate for pulling stumps and trailers due the large amount of low end grunt but max RPM is 3900 so you cant race these engines

Tranny should be a Warner T-98 with granny as of the X-fercase it might be an NP-201 or most likely an NP-202. The 202 is way stronger then the 205 and the 201 is even more stronger. At some year they dropped the 201 because it was way to heavy and it was over kill.(it should have been in a dump truck) Its drive tran is defiantly strong enough for a caddy 500 but if you want to look into converting to disk brakes just throw in a chev front 60 axel. You can convert that axel to disk if you want but I forgot what donor truck the parts are on. Good luck finding drums and rims for it they are almost impossible to find. You will have to get some custom rims made but I have heard that you can cut the hole bigger in a 6-bolt chey rim so it can fit over the hubs. Good luck with the beast BTW last I checked you can buy brand new drums but are very expensive (that was at napa)

Chief yelling alot · 11-08-2001, 10:57 PM

gear reatio should be 4.09 or 4.27

np 202 is 2 to 1 np 201 I don't know

got any picts of the AUX heater under the seat I have never heard on an IH before with an AUX heater

FastEddy · 11-09-2001, 05:15 AM

Thanks for all the info Chief...my guess is a 202 transfercase, it looks similar to a 205, but does not like too much overkill...nice to know that it is strong enough for my cad motor...as for brakes, I'm not too concerned...both diffs will be welded (lincoln lockers) so if I can get at least one wheel to work it'll slow them all down should need be....plus the driveline brake works...I will take some pics of the auxillary heater and controls in the next day or two...it is definitely a factory piece...plus it will be useless to me...do you know if those gears and carrier will fit into a newer dana 44 from a chev...say 1975 or so...if so are the side gear axle splines the same as the newer axles or do i(can i) use the chev side gears in the IH carrier (basically if possible I would put the gears/carrier, or just gears into a chev dana44 so I will have disc brakes up front, as well as the open knuckle diff (so i have lots of spare axle shafts....thanks again...ED

Chief yelling alot · 11-09-2001, 04:48 PM

For the carrier I guess not only for the reason that my 68 D-44 is 19 spline but you have the HD 44 and the spline count might be 30 but I dought it benign the age. The gears I would have to say yes. I don’t think Dana changed the design of the gears. if brakes are not a concern I just would replace *all* the u-joints even the ones in the steering knuckles. The HD D-44 has the "large ball" knuckles so your front U-joints should be large enough to with stand the large amount of torque and the only thing you gain from the open knuckle is a tighter turning radius.

Have fun with the old beast

Chief yelling alot · 11-09-2001, 04:51 PM

Oh I see your gear reatio is 5.13 I thought it was 4.09 or 4.25

11-05-2001, 06:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
FastEddy Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4875 Location: southeast Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1	1958 ? IH Travellall? 3/4 ton 4x4 Just got in this "beverly Hillbillies" type of 4X4...paid the guy $80 canadian for it...but I really don't know what it is...you can see it here http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/fasteddy454 click on "my toys" the photos are in the second page if I remember correctly....anyway, most of the body is cut off, except for the firewall/seat area...can't find a ser# anywhere...my guess is 1958 or close....must have been a panel or travell all type thing with the short wheelbase...and the auxilary heater under passenger side of the seat facing back....under the drivers seatback there is a tag that says "Cab ser #P1909" it's a 6cyl, 4spd, divorced transfercase, locking hubs, full floating axles, large 6bolt wheel pattern, 16 inch two piece rims (4 brand new bias grippers-no cracks) I would like to know what year and model she is, gear ratio's, type of transfercase, etc...so I can advertise the old girl for parts or whole...(or drop in my 500cid cadillac V8/turbo 400 auto and some nice tires and drag her to the mud bogs...what kind of gear reduction in the transfercase....any help much appreciated....even better if you want to buy her.... Attached Images

11-05-2001, 06:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Scout Dude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 4001 Location: Citrus Heights, CA Posts: 3,984	I think that you may have been ripped off T-case should be a divorced 205 (I think) I think the only 6 cyl that Scouts used were AMC 258...but I really don't know $hit about Intls __________________ Dysfunctional Rockcrawlers

11-08-2001, 10:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	Thats a 1960 B-120 travelall __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

11-08-2001, 10:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	Might be a BG 264 I-6 or a BD (black diamond) 240 (that number might be wrong.) These engines are made by IH and are grate for pulling stumps and trailers due the large amount of low end grunt but max RPM is 3900 so you cant race these engines Tranny should be a Warner T-98 with granny as of the X-fercase it might be an NP-201 or most likely an NP-202. The 202 is way stronger then the 205 and the 201 is even more stronger. At some year they dropped the 201 because it was way to heavy and it was over kill.(it should have been in a dump truck) Its drive tran is defiantly strong enough for a caddy 500 but if you want to look into converting to disk brakes just throw in a chev front 60 axel. You can convert that axel to disk if you want but I forgot what donor truck the parts are on. Good luck finding drums and rims for it they are almost impossible to find. You will have to get some custom rims made but I have heard that you can cut the hole bigger in a 6-bolt chey rim so it can fit over the hubs. Good luck with the beast BTW last I checked you can buy brand new drums but are very expensive (that was at napa) __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

11-08-2001, 10:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	gear reatio should be 4.09 or 4.27 np 202 is 2 to 1 np 201 I don't know got any picts of the AUX heater under the seat I have never heard on an IH before with an AUX heater __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

11-05-2001, 07:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cliffy [JD] Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 14 Location: Brighton, CO Posts: 3,099	WOW that's different. COOL

11-05-2001, 07:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
makkat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7581 Posts: 79	The engine is IH built, ~240ci. The transfer case should be a 202, if it is a late 50's. It is a 3/4 ton model, the front would be a closed 44 and the rear..... I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong!

11-09-2001, 05:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
FastEddy Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4875 Location: southeast Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1	Thanks for all the info Chief...my guess is a 202 transfercase, it looks similar to a 205, but does not like too much overkill...nice to know that it is strong enough for my cad motor...as for brakes, I'm not too concerned...both diffs will be welded (lincoln lockers) so if I can get at least one wheel to work it'll slow them all down should need be....plus the driveline brake works...I will take some pics of the auxillary heater and controls in the next day or two...it is definitely a factory piece...plus it will be useless to me...do you know if those gears and carrier will fit into a newer dana 44 from a chev...say 1975 or so...if so are the side gear axle splines the same as the newer axles or do i(can i) use the chev side gears in the IH carrier (basically if possible I would put the gears/carrier, or just gears into a chev dana44 so I will have disc brakes up front, as well as the open knuckle diff (so i have lots of spare axle shafts....thanks again...ED

11-09-2001, 04:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	For the carrier I guess not only for the reason that my 68 D-44 is 19 spline but you have the HD 44 and the spline count might be 30 but I dought it benign the age. The gears I would have to say yes. I don’t think Dana changed the design of the gears. if brakes are not a concern I just would replace all the u-joints even the ones in the steering knuckles. The HD D-44 has the "large ball" knuckles so your front U-joints should be large enough to with stand the large amount of torque and the only thing you gain from the open knuckle is a tighter turning radius. Have fun with the old beast __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

11-09-2001, 04:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	Oh I see your gear reatio is 5.13 I thought it was 4.09 or 4.25 __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

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