Just Playing around on some Rocks

[Snoopy]

So I got those 38.5x14.50s on Snoopy the other day and thought that I should see how they work. So I drove to a rock pile that I always eye and decided to see how she'd do.

First shot was easy



Then I tried some different lines:




All in all I was quite happy - didn't even get nervous about tipping back or floppin' to the side.

Specs:
*1967 Scout 800
*196 4-cyl
*T90aa 3-speed (self destructing - for the last year)
*Dana18 TwinStick
*Scout II D44s w/ 4.89 gears
*Detroit TrueTrac Rear/TracLock Front (Both LS)
*SOA w/ RS - extended wheel base to 102.5" (2.5"over stock)
*38.5x14.50 SuperSwamper TSL/SX on 15x10s
Pretty good for mostly stock components! (accept the axles) Funny that I just sold the axles and now I'm lining up those Full-Width D44s - I'll keep ya posted. Oh yes - more pictures are posted at: The last page of my buildup

[Ben W]

Once again, you are using Massey's icon when you aren't Massey. Then again, maybe you are, puny axles and big tires... nice cage too.

[Snoopy]

Originally posted by 61Scout
Once again, you are using Massey's icon when you aren't Massey.

I have no idea why you make such a big deal about this icon thing - I originally saw it in the smiles menu and liked it. Didn't think that was a crime


(gee - do you know someone named cool too? )

[Scout Dude]

Hey Snoop..as I stated in the other "smack-down" about Massey post...Massey is a guy (Kevin Massey) that has been known to wear a red wig on occassion...that's the deal with the icon.

Now, back to your rig. Are you telling me that the front tires won't rub when you are not turning the wheel? It looks like you need to break out the sawzall again...

[Old Scout]

This is the one and only Massey

[Scout Dude]

Or you can see him getting WINCHED out of the Sluice here...

[Ben W]

I hope your panties aren't too knotted up Snoopy. I'm just saying I sure wouldn't go around using an icon if I had no idea what it meant. Part of my job is educating newbies.

[NotQuiteSane]

Originally posted by Snoopy
So I got those 38.5x14.50s on Snoopy the other day and thought that I should see how they work. So I drove to a rock pile that I always eye and decided to see how she'd do.

Nice rollcage ya got there.

Joe

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Josad


Nice rollcage ya got there.

Joe

My GF's street 800 even has a 'bar in it.. and she doesn't even drive like I do.

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by Scout Dude 64
Hey Snoop..as I stated in the other "smack-down" about Massey post...Massey is a guy (Kevin Massey) that has been known to wear a red wig on occassion...that's the deal with the icon.

Now, back to your rig. Are you telling me that the front tires won't rub when you are not turning the wheel? It looks like you need to break out the sawzall again...

Is it he also know for his ability to wheel?

[NotQuiteSane]

Originally posted by tsm1mt


My GF's street 800 even has a 'bar in it.. and she doesn't even drive like I do.

Nobody drives like you do Tom

Joe

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by Snoopy




*196 4-cyl
*T90aa 3-speed (self destructing - for the last year)
*Dana18 TwinStick
*Scout II D44s w/ 4.89 gears
*Detroit TrueTrac Rear/TracLock Front (Both LS)

What's with the shocks, are you trying to control wheel hop? And can it flex more, or are you fender limited? Are you replacing the 196, T90, and Dana 18? What's up with the LS's, lockers in the plans?

[Snoopy]

Originally posted by jdjanda


What's with the shocks, are you trying to control wheel hop?

The rear shocks were a 5 minute exercise to allow me to drive on the street without hoopin' all over the place (the old 36s were very out-of-round, but they wheeled good).

Originally posted by jdjanda


And can it flex more, or are you fender limited?

Yes, it can flex more - that was just the biggest rock I could find in the area. Snoopy actually took 1st place at the RMIHR '01 in the modified class driving up the RTI 102" - I've only got the SOA & RS without any weight in the back (no spare, cut up half cab, etc) - sure it didn't compare to Dan (red 800), Dave (coil'd/cantilevered 800) or Eric's (deisel SII) rigs but then again I don't have the suspension that they do....yet.

Originally posted by jdjanda


What's up with the LS's, lockers in the plans?

The axles it has in these pictures are actually now sold to a Jeeper in Wisconsin. THey fit her needs and she was willing to pay $$ for them. With that money I'm taking the Full-Width Dana44s off my Travelall and building them with a Spool rear & Auburn Posi front w/ 4.89 (or 5.13 ~ haven't decided for sure). I'm also aquired a set of axles for the Travelall (HD-Dana44 front and Corp14 Bolt rear - LS w/ 4.10) The bigger axles under the T-all will make it so that I don't have to worry about snapping the rear axle with the very healthy 392 it has. It will then be painted and become my DD & tow rig for Long-Distance trails/events (Moab, Rubicon, Hammers, Montrose, Tulare, Nats, NWR, etc).

One reason I'm going to full-width D44s is because (1) I have them, (2) the 196 doesn't have the power to them (I hope) (3) the wider stance will give me tighter turning and better stance/stability and finally (4) we are replacing the Lil Mule (Pro2) with it. The wider axles have better mounting for links, coils(front) and 1/4 elliptic(rear) ~ which it will be getting VERY soon.

Originally posted by jdjanda


Are you replacing the 196, T90, and Dana 18?

The 196 is staying. Its healthy, gets terrific MPG and works great off-road. I was on Hackett Gultch the other month and my starter fried before we left, I left it running from 3pm to 1am and still had 1/2 a tank of gas in one tank and 1/8 in the other (both are 8-9 gallon tanks)

It has plenty of tourque for what I want it to do. Actually I built the LS difs so I can have more control in the snow/rain/mud. Its a daily driver so being a trail-rig was a complete imposibility. Besides, it still has manual steering - lockers would make it even harder to steer.

The very near future will provide Snoopy w/ Power Steering, a T18(close - I need the 3rd gear for the mountains around here) and a Dana20 (3.15:1 low) - those mods will improve my 36:1 crawl and give me a 69:1(ish) crawl - which is all I want since it needs to stay streetable.

[Snoopy]

Originally posted by Old Scout
This is the one and only Massey

With no disrespect intended - the "Massey" I figured was Massey Gray - a lady singer that sings like she is drunk 100% of the time and has mangled red hair and dark glasses on (blood-shot eyes?).

Either way - but since you're making such a huge deal about it

This one is for you ~

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Snoopy

Full-Width Dana44s off my Travelall and building them with a Spool rear & Auburn Posi front w/ 4.89 (or 5.13 ~ haven't decided for sure).

OK, later on you say "still streetable" but up here you say SPOOL. Which is it? Street or dragstrip? Lock it with automatic lockers and be done with it.

Spools are for going in a straight line.

I'm also aquired a set of axles for the Travelall (HD-Dana44 front and Corp14 Bolt rear - LS w/ 4.10) The bigger axles under the T-all will make it so that I don't have to worry about snapping the rear axle with the very healthy 392 it has. It will then be painted and become my DD & tow rig for Long-Distance trails/events (Moab, Rubicon, Hammers, Montrose, Tulare, Nats, NWR, etc).

I was never worried about snapping an axle from my 392.. I was more concerned about overloading the semi-float axle bearing (weight) with my trailer hooked up.

I also found the 1/2T suspension too soft... so I skipped over the 3/4T upgrades and just bought a tonner.

The 196 is staying. Its healthy, gets terrific MPG and works great off-road.

What kind of mileage does your 196 get in town? I averaged 12mpg highway when I yanked my 196 out for a 304 - that did 14mpg.

I was on Hackett Gultch the other month and my starter fried before we left, I left it running from 3pm to 1am and still had 1/2 a tank of gas in one tank and 1/8 in the other (both are 8-9 gallon tanks)

My 345 will idle all day on fumes, too - but I can also watch the temp gauge climb.

[Snoopy]

Originally posted by Scout Dude
Now, back to your rig. Are you telling me that the front tires won't rub when you are not turning the wheel? It looks like you need to break out the sawzall again...

The only place the tires hit on these rocks were the front blinkers - when flexed and turned. I haven't upgraded to the Scout II steering yet so the tiny stock pitman arm has limited my steering to the left and the tires dig into the springs on right-turns. One of the key reasons for going to full-width axles.

Considerable suspension mods in the near future will be keeping the tires out of the body work (if you can call it that) in the future.

D

[Snoopy]

Originally posted by tsm1mt


OK, later on you say "still streetable" but up here you say SPOOL. Which is it? Street or dragstrip? Lock it with automatic lockers and be done with it.

Spools are for going in a straight line.

Ya, but I have yet to meet a Detroit that unlocks on the pavement - which to me means I might as well save the $$ and get a spool. Detroits are $500 and Spools are $180. For me the decission is pretty clear. I've yet to buy either one though - so please (everyone) feel free to comment.

What kind of mileage does your 196 get in town? I averaged 12mpg highway when I yanked my 196 out for a 304 - that did 14mpg.

Last time I checked I was getting close to 20 mpg. But the speedo has been broke for some time and I can't get current figures. But remember Snoopy is much lighter than you Scout II. As far as temp - Snoop stays at the same place despite speed, load, anything.

I also found the 1/2T suspension too soft... so I skipped over the 3/4T upgrades and just bought a tonner.

This T-all has new springs that are quite nice. If I need, air-assist can be arranged. I'm only looking to tow Snoopy around.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Snoopy

Ya, but I have yet to meet a Detroit that unlocks on the pavement - which to me means I might as well save the $$ and get a spool. Detroits are $500 and Spools are $180. For me the decission is pretty clear. I've yet to buy either one though - so please (everyone) feel free to comment.

Who does your gear setups?

All of my friends' Detroits unlock just fine on the street - though they don't usually drive their rigs on the street.

It's a common joke when we're meeting to go wheelin'.. someone pulls into the lot and pulls up along side of us and we hear the PINK (no SoftLockers in *this* group!).. "Hey, your rear end is broken, it's making noises!!"

[Snoopy]

Who does your gear setups?

I do - we used to use the same guy that rebuilt all of GUS's stuff but he has since retired.

All of my friends' Detroits unlock just fine on the street - though they don't usually drive their rigs on the street.

Ya, my Detroit EZLocker did too - but all the guys I know who run Full Detroits (despite the installer) get chirping.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Snoopy

I do - we used to use the same guy that rebuilt all of GUS's stuff but he has since retired.


Ya, my Detroit EZLocker did too - but all the guys I know who run Full Detroits (despite the installer) get chirping.

I think you'll always have SOME chirping.. but that doesn't mean it "never" unlocks.

Sounds like those guys' tires don't have enough traction.

[Ben W]

Originally posted by tsm1mt


OK, later on you say "still streetable" but up here you say SPOOL. Which is it? Street or dragstrip? Lock it with automatic lockers and be done with it.

Spools are for going in a straight line.

Puh-leaze. A spool is just as streetable as a detroit in a rig that is primarily designed for the trail.

[Hayraker]

Originally posted by Ben W


Puh-leaze. A spool is just as streetable as a detroit in a rig that is primarily designed for the trail.

I agree, I can still turn fine after spoolinating my trac-loc.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Hayraker


I agree, I can still turn fine after spoolinating my trac-loc.

I guess I was doing something wrong then when I smacked all those trees because my rig wouldn't turn...

If a Spool is so great, why do people continue to waste their money on ARBs?

[Ben W]

Originally posted by tsm1mt


I guess I was doing something wrong then when I smacked all those trees because my rig wouldn't turn...

Better add some facts to back this up. Let me guess, broken LR in the front and a Traclock in the rear.

Originally posted by tsm1mt


If a Spool is so great, why do people continue to waste their money on ARBs?

I didn't realize we were comparing a spool to an ARB? The ARB is SELECTABLE. That means open sometimes and spooled other times. I sure didn't see anyone say a full time SPOOL is comparable to an OPEN diff. ARB's are great if you do ALOT of driving on the street. If what you want is a trail rig that is streetable (driven on the street, but not daily) then a spool and a DETROIT are comparable.

[JoshC]

Originally posted by tsm1mt


I guess I was doing something wrong then when I smacked all those trees because my rig wouldn't turn...

If a Spool is so great, why do people continue to waste their money on ARBs?

Uh, I thought we were talking rear-end. Nobody except the guys with TJs and Defender 90s waist money on ARBs in the rear!