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Old 11-08-2001, 11:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Friday Topic - Best drive train - 11/09

Combining a few days worth here guys.

What's the best drive train in your opinion.

IH motor, or swap. Build it or stock for reliability.

Tranny, IH T19, T18, T98, SM420, SM465, NV4500, Auto

T-case, D20, D300, 205, Atlas, doubler


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Old 11-09-2001, 09:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Personal opinion:

for simplicity, keep it IH!! Bolt it all in, less hassle, less work, more

the recipy really depends on use. For my application: weekend wheeler/rock crawling

healthy (not nessearaly built) IH motor (V-8 naturaly). EFI, because it makes wheeling THAT much nicer. I prefer manual trannies, so t-19 wide. T-case, D300 is good, but gears in a D20 are cool.

If $$$$$$$ provides, crawler box is a killer idea. Crawl is good, selctable is even better <g>

If you startd getting HUGE, you may need to concider other alternatives, souch as F&R 60's, Atlas's ect. Personaly, when I start breaking things (or KNOW I'm going to break things) I'll go that route.
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Old 11-09-2001, 09:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hey, you didn't mention the t-90 in the list...

It's all about $$$ and what you are going to use it for...I am definitly a build it overkill person but I'm sure that I will "get it awn" when I finally get it put back together.

I like manual trannies, v-8's, and round pattern t-cases so you can clock them up. Other than that...it doesn't matter what you have...
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If I had the $$

Mopar 440 with a 60 over bore and a 4.125" crank, so we now have 511 cubes. Hooked to a NV4500 and an Atlas with Front and rear 60's
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Old 11-09-2001, 09:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hard to argue with an IH v8 with a wide T19 and a dana 300 with 4:1 gears - good crawl ratio, and it bolts right in.
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I like manual trannies, v-8's, and round pattern t-cases so you can clock them up. Other than that...it doesn't matter what you have...
I like my stock setup wide T19/D20 - no need to clock it when it comes from the factory with a flat belly. Saves me the hassle.

Stock powertrain seems like a good choice. The SV's are stout, a T19 is a strong transmission. Sure, the Dana 20 is breakable, but it's still pretty sturdy.

With the right mods a SV will spin up fast enough and make more n' enough power. A lot easier to just bolt everything in using factory parts, too.
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Personal opinion? I like the Scout body and frame but the rest has to be GM.
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Old 11-09-2001, 04:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Pure rock/competion Scout - Cad 472/500 on propane, Th400, 32 spline Atlas II, RC60's, 39.5's.

Trail rig - whatever is cheap and not broken at any given time.
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Trail rig - whatever is cheap and not broken at any given time.
Ok, I can agree with that. but as for all out....

mid sized diesel
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Personal opinion? I like the Scout body and frame but the rest has to be GM.


GMC as in "gotta mechanic coming"?

no way GM made parts are anywhere near as good as those IHC made

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My opinion Josad so if you think your stuff is beter lets get it on.
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My opinion Josad so if you think your stuff is beter lets get it on.
Abba,

When I'm done with the first revision, I'd be happy to wheel with you. maybe if I make it up to next years NWBRU.

oh, and it's just Joe.

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Abba,

When I'm done with the first revision, I'd be happy to wheel with you. maybe if I make it up to next years NWBRU.

oh, and it's just Joe.

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5 bucks on Abba

And I'm Joe on the IH board, put in some time on the board then maybe you can start using your first name. Newbie
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5 bucks on Abba

And I'm Joe on the IH board, put in some time on the board then maybe you can start using your first name. Newbie

I'll just go back to Not Quite Sane.

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Well thanks to you all, I couldnít just go SOA and be happy.

Trouble shoot this for me.

Engine: IH 345, Iíll leave it for now as it only has 130K, the ignition will be changed out for a Pertronix, and MSD box. Iíll swap the carb for F.I. if I can find the GM parts in the boneyard Iíll run the Howell setup, else Projection. Maybe Iíll carry a spare carb and fuel pump. I like the IH motors, reliable, solid, etc. I can see no reason to swap it. Iíll pick up a short block for a rebuild in the far future.

Tranny: T98 as I have one in very good condition. Slightly lower first gear then a T19W, and a have an extra T98 (2wd) for parts. The Auto is history, I love wheeling with it, it just bugs me needed to watch the temp the entire time. Iíll keep one of my Autos in case I decide to switch back. If a do return to the Auto it will be rebuilt with RV gears and heavy duty clutches.

T-case: Iím still a little up in the air here, I should have a Dana18 t-case on the way in, I could do the gear swap and have 2.45 case, I would then add the Mr. Scout box. If the Dana 18 deal falls through then Iíll go the Tera route. Either way Iíll be in the 80:1 plus crawl range. The duel T-case setup would put me into the 120:1 range.

Axles: Hereís where you guys got me in trouble. Time for full width with the SOA. Hybrid D44 up front, with Hi-steer (Flat top knuckles on the way). Rear is going to be D60 of 14 Bolt, Iíd like to go with FF, but it will come down to what I can find for the right price. Spool or welded rear, lunch box in the front (got it already).

There it is

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Axles: Hereís where you guys got me in trouble. Time for full width with the SOA. Hybrid D44 up front, with Hi-steer (Flat top knuckles on the way). Rear is going to be D60 of 14 Bolt, Iíd like to go with FF, but it will come down to what I can find for the right price. Spool or welded rear, lunch box in the front (got it already).

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Like someone above said, keep the Scout body and frame and replace the rest.
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Why not a 60 in front?
Money, I have the parts to build the 44 front and I don't plan to run larger then 36's. However if I found a deal then I'd do it.

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Money, I have the parts to build the 44 front and I don't plan to run larger then 36's. However if I found a deal then I'd do it.

Joe
Ok, I can understand that. hmm, new topic idea there....
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Sounds good to me.

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Ok, I can agree with that. but as for all out....

mid sized diesel
nv4500
klune
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RR dana 60's
all sitting on beadlocked 38's
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Now THAT'S the TICKET!!
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I like my stock setup wide T19/D20 - no need to clock it when it comes from the factory with a flat belly.
Don't quote me on this...well you can but I might be wrong...I think that the AA that I bought will allow me to raise it up even higher...
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Can you get an Atlas with a D18-type output?
That way, you could have front & rear offset chunks...
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I'm with Abba, put the GM gear in. I'm building a 65' scout 80 with 4 wheel coils, 425 hp 383 stroker, 203/205 doubler with an sm465. D60 front and 14 bolt rear with 4.56's and detroits. I just need the time to start fabricating. Although I will say I never had any problems with my IH equipment.
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Whatever your comfortable with.

If I had a V8, I'd go beefy. Since I have a 120K mile old 196, I'm sticking with cheap Dana44s, 5.13 and a spool in the back. I'm comfortable with that ~ so that is the best option for me.
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