Friday Topic - Best drive train - 11/09 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

jdjanda · 11-08-2001, 11:12 PM

Combining a few days worth here guys.

What's the best drive train in your opinion.

IH motor, or swap. Build it or stock for reliability.

Tranny, IH T19, T18, T98, SM420, SM465, NV4500, Auto

T-case, D20, D300, 205, Atlas, doubler

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RustoleumWhite · 11-09-2001, 09:23 AM

Personal opinion:

for simplicity, keep it IH!! Bolt it all in, less hassle, less work, more

the recipy really depends on use. For my application: weekend wheeler/rock crawling

healthy (not nessearaly built) IH motor (V-8 naturaly). EFI, because it makes wheeling THAT much nicer. I prefer manual trannies, so t-19 wide. T-case, D300 is good, but gears in a D20 are cool.

If $$$$$$$ provides, crawler box is a killer idea. Crawl is good, selctable is even better <g>

If you startd getting HUGE, you may need to concider other alternatives, souch as F&R 60's, Atlas's ect. Personaly, when I start breaking things (or KNOW I'm going to break things) I'll go that route.

Scout Dude · 11-09-2001, 09:28 AM

Hey, you didn't mention the t-90 in the list...

It's all about $$$ and what you are going to use it for...I am definitly a build it overkill person but I'm sure that I will "get it awn" when I finally get it put back together.

I like manual trannies, v-8's, and round pattern t-cases so you can clock them up. Other than that...it doesn't matter what you have...

Old Scout · 11-09-2001, 09:38 AM

If I had the $$

Mopar 440 with a 60 over bore and a 4.125" crank, so we now have 511 cubes. Hooked to a NV4500 and an Atlas with Front and rear 60's

sdscouter · 11-09-2001, 09:40 AM

Hard to argue with an IH v8 with a wide T19 and a dana 300 with 4:1 gears - good crawl ratio, and it bolts right in.

tsm1mt · 11-09-2001, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scout Dude

I like manual trannies, v-8's, and round pattern t-cases so you can clock them up. Other than that...it doesn't matter what you have...

I like my stock setup wide T19/D20 - no need to clock it when it comes from the factory with a flat belly. Saves me the hassle.

Stock powertrain seems like a good choice. The SV's are stout, a T19 is a strong transmission. Sure, the Dana 20 is breakable, but it's still pretty sturdy.

With the right mods a SV will spin up fast enough and make more n' enough power. A lot easier to just bolt everything in using factory parts, too.

Abba · 11-09-2001, 04:15 PM

Personal opinion? I like the Scout body and frame but the rest has to be GM.

Ben W · 11-09-2001, 04:51 PM

Pure rock/competion Scout - Cad 472/500 on propane, Th400, 32 spline Atlas II, RC60's, 39.5's.

Trail rig - whatever is cheap and not broken at any given time.

NotQuiteSane · 11-09-2001, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ben W
Trail rig - whatever is cheap and not broken at any given time.

Ok, I can agree with that. but as for all out....

mid sized diesel
nv4500
klune
atlas
RR dana 60's
all sitting on beadlocked 38's

Joe

NotQuiteSane · 11-09-2001, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abba
Personal opinion? I like the Scout body and frame but the rest has to be GM.

GMC as in "gotta mechanic coming"?

no way GM made parts are anywhere near as good as those IHC made

Joe

Abba · 11-10-2001, 07:04 PM

My opinion Josad so if you think your stuff is beter lets get it on.

NotQuiteSane · 11-10-2001, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abba
My opinion Josad so if you think your stuff is beter lets get it on.

Abba,

When I'm done with the first revision, I'd be happy to wheel with you. maybe if I make it up to next years NWBRU.

oh, and it's just Joe.

Joe

jdjanda · 11-10-2001, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Josad

Abba,

When I'm done with the first revision, I'd be happy to wheel with you. maybe if I make it up to next years NWBRU.

oh, and it's just Joe.

Joe

5 bucks on Abba

And I'm Joe on the IH board, put in some time on the board then maybe you can start using your first name.

Newbie

NotQuiteSane · 11-10-2001, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdjanda

5 bucks on Abba

And I'm Joe on the IH board, put in some time on the board then maybe you can start using your first name. Newbie

I'll just go back to Not Quite Sane.

jdjanda · 11-11-2001, 09:05 AM

Well thanks to you all, I couldn’t just go SOA and be happy.

Trouble shoot this for me.

Engine: IH 345, I’ll leave it for now as it only has 130K, the ignition will be changed out for a Pertronix, and MSD box. I’ll swap the carb for F.I. if I can find the GM parts in the boneyard I’ll run the Howell setup, else Projection. Maybe I’ll carry a spare carb and fuel pump. I like the IH motors, reliable, solid, etc. I can see no reason to swap it. I’ll pick up a short block for a rebuild in the far future.

Tranny: T98 as I have one in very good condition. Slightly lower first gear then a T19W, and a have an extra T98 (2wd) for parts. The Auto is history, I love wheeling with it, it just bugs me needed to watch the temp the entire time. I’ll keep one of my Autos in case I decide to switch back. If a do return to the Auto it will be rebuilt with RV gears and heavy duty clutches.

T-case: I’m still a little up in the air here, I should have a Dana18 t-case on the way in, I could do the gear swap and have 2.45 case, I would then add the Mr. Scout box. If the Dana 18 deal falls through then I’ll go the Tera route. Either way I’ll be in the 80:1 plus crawl range. The duel T-case setup would put me into the 120:1 range.

Axles: Here’s where you guys got me in trouble. Time for full width with the SOA. Hybrid D44 up front, with Hi-steer (Flat top knuckles on the way). Rear is going to be D60 of 14 Bolt, I’d like to go with FF, but it will come down to what I can find for the right price. Spool or welded rear, lunch box in the front (got it already).

There it is

Joe

NotQuiteSane · 11-11-2001, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Axles: Here’s where you guys got me in trouble. Time for full width with the SOA. Hybrid D44 up front, with Hi-steer (Flat top knuckles on the way). Rear is going to be D60 of 14 Bolt, I’d like to go with FF, but it will come down to what I can find for the right price. Spool or welded rear, lunch box in the front (got it already).

There it is

Joe [/B]

Why not a 60 in front?

Scouter · 11-11-2001, 07:43 PM

Like someone above said, keep the Scout body and frame and replace the rest.

jdjanda · 11-11-2001, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Josad

Why not a 60 in front?

Money, I have the parts to build the 44 front and I don't plan to run larger then 36's. However if I found a deal then I'd do it.

Joe

NotQuiteSane · 11-11-2001, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdjanda

Money, I have the parts to build the 44 front and I don't plan to run larger then 36's. However if I found a deal then I'd do it.

Joe

Ok, I can understand that. hmm, new topic idea there....

Scoutaholic · 11-13-2001, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abba
My opinion Josad so if you think your stuff is beter lets get it on.

Sounds good to me.

1970 scout 800. 392- 727 auto. Klune-V 4:1 with NP 205 32 splines all around. Front 60 35 splines in and out. Rear 80 w 35 spline alloys. Detroits F&R and 5:13's. 38.5x14.50 TSL-sx's.

0ILBURNER · 11-14-2001, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NotQuiteSane
Ok, I can agree with that. but as for all out....

mid sized diesel
nv4500
klune
atlas
RR dana 60's
all sitting on beadlocked 38's
Joe

Now THAT'S the TICKET!!

Scout Dude · 11-14-2001, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tsm1mt

I like my stock setup wide T19/D20 - no need to clock it when it comes from the factory with a flat belly.

Don't quote me on this...well you can but I might be wrong...I think that the AA that I bought will allow me to raise it up even higher...

0ILBURNER · 11-14-2001, 01:06 PM

Can you get an Atlas with a D18-type output?
That way, you could have front & rear offset chunks...

scizout · 11-19-2001, 03:58 PM

I'm with Abba, put the GM gear in. I'm building a 65' scout 80 with 4 wheel coils, 425 hp 383 stroker, 203/205 doubler with an sm465. D60 front and 14 bolt rear with 4.56's and detroits. I just need the time to start fabricating. Although I will say I never had any problems with my IH equipment.

Snoopy · 11-21-2001, 05:02 PM

Whatever your comfortable with.

If I had a V8, I'd go beefy. Since I have a 120K mile old 196, I'm sticking with cheap Dana44s, 5.13 and a spool in the back. I'm comfortable with that ~ so that is the best option for me.

11-08-2001, 11:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
jdjanda Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5982 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,292	Friday Topic - Best drive train - 11/09 Combining a few days worth here guys. What's the best drive train in your opinion. IH motor, or swap. Build it or stock for reliability. Tranny, IH T19, T18, T98, SM420, SM465, NV4500, Auto T-case, D20, D300, 205, Atlas, doubler $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ PAD __________________ Was that a comment meant to hurt? RU Dysfuncational http://thisdysfunctional.org/forum

11-09-2001, 09:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
Scout Dude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 4001 Location: Citrus Heights, CA Posts: 3,984	Hey, you didn't mention the t-90 in the list... It's all about $$$ and what you are going to use it for...I am definitly a build it overkill person but I'm sure that I will "get it awn" when I finally get it put back together. I like manual trannies, v-8's, and round pattern t-cases so you can clock them up. Other than that...it doesn't matter what you have... __________________ Dysfunctional Rockcrawlers

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11-11-2001, 09:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
jdjanda Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5982 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,292	Well thanks to you all, I couldn’t just go SOA and be happy. Trouble shoot this for me. Engine: IH 345, I’ll leave it for now as it only has 130K, the ignition will be changed out for a Pertronix, and MSD box. I’ll swap the carb for F.I. if I can find the GM parts in the boneyard I’ll run the Howell setup, else Projection. Maybe I’ll carry a spare carb and fuel pump. I like the IH motors, reliable, solid, etc. I can see no reason to swap it. I’ll pick up a short block for a rebuild in the far future. Tranny: T98 as I have one in very good condition. Slightly lower first gear then a T19W, and a have an extra T98 (2wd) for parts. The Auto is history, I love wheeling with it, it just bugs me needed to watch the temp the entire time. I’ll keep one of my Autos in case I decide to switch back. If a do return to the Auto it will be rebuilt with RV gears and heavy duty clutches. T-case: I’m still a little up in the air here, I should have a Dana18 t-case on the way in, I could do the gear swap and have 2.45 case, I would then add the Mr. Scout box. If the Dana 18 deal falls through then I’ll go the Tera route. Either way I’ll be in the 80:1 plus crawl range. The duel T-case setup would put me into the 120:1 range. Axles: Here’s where you guys got me in trouble. Time for full width with the SOA. Hybrid D44 up front, with Hi-steer (Flat top knuckles on the way). Rear is going to be D60 of 14 Bolt, I’d like to go with FF, but it will come down to what I can find for the right price. Spool or welded rear, lunch box in the front (got it already). There it is Joe __________________ Was that a comment meant to hurt? RU Dysfuncational http://thisdysfunctional.org/forum

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11-09-2001, 09:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
RustoleumWhite Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4506 Location: WA Posts: 4,663	Personal opinion: for simplicity, keep it IH!! Bolt it all in, less hassle, less work, more the recipy really depends on use. For my application: weekend wheeler/rock crawling healthy (not nessearaly built) IH motor (V-8 naturaly). EFI, because it makes wheeling THAT much nicer. I prefer manual trannies, so t-19 wide. T-case, D300 is good, but gears in a D20 are cool. If $$$$$$$ provides, crawler box is a killer idea. Crawl is good, selctable is even better <g> If you startd getting HUGE, you may need to concider other alternatives, souch as F&R 60's, Atlas's ect. Personaly, when I start breaking things (or KNOW I'm going to break things) I'll go that route.

11-09-2001, 09:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
sdscouter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 406 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 15	Hard to argue with an IH v8 with a wide T19 and a dana 300 with 4:1 gears - good crawl ratio, and it bolts right in.

11-09-2001, 04:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Abba Granite Guru Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5181 Location: Corning Ca Posts: 584	Personal opinion? I like the Scout body and frame but the rest has to be GM.

11-09-2001, 04:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ben W Granite Guru Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 226 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 4,058	Pure rock/competion Scout - Cad 472/500 on propane, Th400, 32 spline Atlas II, RC60's, 39.5's. Trail rig - whatever is cheap and not broken at any given time.

11-10-2001, 07:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
Abba Granite Guru Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5181 Location: Corning Ca Posts: 584	My opinion Josad so if you think your stuff is beter lets get it on.

11-11-2001, 07:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
Scouter Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 51 Location: Placer County, CA Posts: 745	Like someone above said, keep the Scout body and frame and replace the rest.

11-14-2001, 01:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
0ILBURNER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5829 Location: Memfrica Posts: 1,851	Can you get an Atlas with a D18-type output? That way, you could have front & rear offset chunks...

11-19-2001, 03:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
scizout Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6737 Location: Santa Rosa ,California Posts: 40	I'm with Abba, put the GM gear in. I'm building a 65' scout 80 with 4 wheel coils, 425 hp 383 stroker, 203/205 doubler with an sm465. D60 front and 14 bolt rear with 4.56's and detroits. I just need the time to start fabricating. Although I will say I never had any problems with my IH equipment.

11-21-2001, 05:02 PM	#25 (permalink)
Snoopy Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5650 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 4,520	Whatever your comfortable with. If I had a V8, I'd go beefy. Since I have a 120K mile old 196, I'm sticking with cheap Dana44s, 5.13 and a spool in the back. I'm comfortable with that ~ so that is the best option for me.