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Old 04-17-2017, 01:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Been awhile since I posted anything scout related. It has been mothballed for a few years due to health, financial and life reasons.
My dad passed away two years ago and surprisingly left me some money. We didn't really get along and I hadn't talked to him in years. I took part of that money and paid off all of our debt along with fixing things that needed fixing around the house. I also spent a chunk on the Scout.
My dad purchased this scout when I was 15 to replace the '61 Scout he gave me for graduation. I have owned it for about 15 years now. My wife is wondering where all the money went when she looks at it.

I spent last winter replacing a bunch of stuff in the hopes of making it more reliable. Newer engine, rebuilt the transmission, new suspension and steering bla bla bla.

Here is how it sat at the end of last summer.

I chopped out the back half of the Obortion cage due to the lack of head room in the back seat. I used the stock roll bar which will get tied into the frame as soon as I remove the saddle tanks. I will also be replacing the back half very soon and tying it into the frame as well.


Bare with me.... I'm kinda slow.
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Found some 38x12.5-15's on beadlocks for cheap so I grabbed them. Removed the necessary material so they would fit over the 1 ton calipers and added some 1/4" rod as anti-cone devises. You can see how much the rings had coned leaving no way to make them tight enough to not leak.



Moving along......
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I spent some monies at Rough Stuff. I moved on to the front suspension and steering. I had started building this out of junk yard parts 12 years ago. I met my wife just over 11 years ago

That high steer arm was purchased from a pirate member but never really worked well. The steering was terrible and turned faster one way compared to the other.
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I started pulling the front apart only to find the last trip we made where I got stuck in a mud hole did a number on a lot of stuff. Ordered up some Chromoly stub shafts and all new bearing and seals for both axles.

Ch everything out and started the mockup of the new Waggy springs.
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Cut out some frame in the hopes of lowering the Scout. Didn't work out so well as I gained 3 inches

Started mocking up the high steer.
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Found out real quick the high steer arms might not be meant for leaf springs. I had to remove the degree shims in order to get enough clearance for the u-bolts.
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Decided to use the passenger side spring plate as the mounting point for the hydro assist. It might not be the best choice but has worked well so far.
I used a piece of the DOM from the steering kit to make a stop on the ram. The steering box is from one of my Scout II's I used to own.

This thing steers like it's in a bucket of butter
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I did the same thing in the rear and cut out some frame for the hangers. I extended the frame so I had somewhere to put the shackle hangers and made a rear bumper.
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It became time to move on to something more fun. I picked up a 2002 5.3 from Tilden Motorsports to replace the 1998 5.slow chevy that had 255,000+ miles on it.

They sold me a fuel line kit with extra stuff this engine doesn't use

I now have a corvette fuel filter I don't need and some fittings that will go on the storage shelf for future use.
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Out with the old..... Which appears to be a good thing.

This engine came out of my brother in laws pickup that was meticulously taken care of with oil changes done regularly
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Next up was the transmission from the same well taken care of pickup. 1998 4l60e with over 250,000 miles.

I won't bore you guys with the rebuild of the transmission since we have all been inside of one

I ordered a kit from Pro-Built Transmissions with the following parts list:

Seal retainer
Late design seal
13-vane rotor with vanes, slide, rotor guide & pin assembly
Trans-Go steel rings & priming spring (under 5,500 rpm WOT)
New replacement stator support with extra wide bushings installed

"Clutches, Steels And Pressure Plates"
4 Borg-Warner reverse/input clutches .078
4 Reverse/input "low drag" Turbulator steels .078
1 Reverse waved steel (eliminates the belleville spring that tears up the inside of the drum)
5 Borg-Warner forward clutches .070
5 Forward steels .090
2 Borg-Warner overrun clutches .078
2 Overrun steels .091
5 Borg-Warner low/reverse clutches .087
5 Low/reverse "low drag" Turbulator steels .068

"Modified" Raybestos Z-Pak, 16 one sided clutch/steel setup for the 3-4 pack.
Comes with 16 one sided clutch/steel arrangement
1 3-4 bottom pressure plate .128
1 3-4 top pressure plate .145
1 3-4 snap ring .062

Borg Warner dual cage 29 element sprag.
GM "heat treated" sunshell
Borg-Warner low/reverse roller assembly (late design)
Trans-Go (Hi-Rev) replacement forward springs & 3-4 springs
Transtech paper & rubber (gasket) kit
Transmission filter (OEM) Sealed Power
Bushing kit with 3 teflon
Thrust washer kit
Sealing ring kit
HD Bearing kit
Borg-Warner Hi-Energy 2-4 band
Corvette servo
Trans-Go Heavy Duty Shift kit, with .500 boost valve & w/accumulation for nice part throttle shifts
Vamac 3 lip rear seal
New steel molded rubber pistons for overrun, forward & 3-4
New aluminum 4th & forward accumulator pistons
New aluminum "modified" 2nd accumulator piston for smoother part throttle shifts
New oem 4th accumulator pin
New 2nd & Forward "hardened" (RC52) accumulator pins
New TransGo PWM eliminator valve


These guys are great to deal with. I made the order on line and received a phone call a few days later to discuss what the transmission was going into.
They hand build the kits to fit your needs He also told me I can over fill the 4l60e by 1 quart for off camber situations without hurting it.

This thing shifts awesome!! Nice and firm while on the throttle and smooth when cruising.
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I picked up some $154 headers off of Amazon and was surprised by the quality. I needed them in order to move the engine back a bit from where it was since the stock pickup manifolds hit the firewall.
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A made a cross member out of some left over stuff and got the engine between the frame rails. I pieced together an intake that seems to be working just fine. I do want to protect the filter in some way shape or form soon.
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I pieced together a Y pipe so the exhaust would run down the driver side since there is no way it was fitting on the passenger side.

You can see the whole exhaust in the last picture..... Don't ask
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About 4 years ago I took a chance and made my own doubler. I never had a chance to give it a try until recently. One ton brakes have NO chance against a doubler

I used a 1988 dodge np241 for the reduction box and a 1991 chevy np241. I ordered a shaft from a vendor and took my chances getting everything lined up.

It's as quiet as it can be which surprised me. The clocking of the Dodge case on the chevy transmission adapter put the blockoff plate up so no leaking has happened.... yet.

I did a hack-n-tap on the output of the rear case. If anyone want's to see how I did it just ask and I will find those pictures. I gained a few inches and have a 25 inch drive shaft in the rear.
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Moving along.........

I replaced the 4.10 gears with some 5.38's These pics are of the first painting of both sets. Front 60 rear 14 bolt out of a K30 single rear wheel.

Close enough
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Found out it doesn't fit under the garage door anymore

Time to measure for shocks.
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Busted out the old pipe kinker and made some upper shock mounts for all four corners.
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I absolutely hated the old traditional traction bar setup. It cause a ton of bind on the springs and actually limited the articulation. I spent some time under the scout and figured out where to put the mounts for a two link setup.

I know most if not all of you will say it won't work but.........

It works perfect. The pinion angle stays the same from compressed to full droop as it does without it. There is a 4 degree change either way. I get zero wheel hop and the once so easy smoky burnouts are a thing of the past.
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The wife and I have taken it out 3 times so far. The first trip was just some easy driving around to see if something was going to fail. The second trip I failed I tried to do a donut and flopped us hard. That would be the don't ask picture

That flop destroyed the firewall, moved the dash, jacked up the windshield frame and top yada yada yada.... I was really bummed I hurt my wife who got 4 staples out of the deal along with a concussion.

Since then we have had a successful trip with some new friends. Got to try out the new winch the wife bought me

I am going to relocate the rear shackle hangers to lower the back some and give it some more droop.
I also added more to the cage after the flop and installed harnesses and have a 15 gallon fuel cell to replace the rusting leaking saddle tanks.
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I would buy one of those engine crossmembers.
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added some 1/4" rod as anti-cone devises. You can see how much the rings had coned leaving no way to make them tight enough to not leak.
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Flip the ring over and torque it down, then it'll be straight again

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Don't have to ask, we can tell by the tire skid marks. Donuts are easy. Just don't let off half way through.

Is that you walking off with your head down in shame?

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I tried to do a donut and flopped us hard. That would be the don't ask picture

That flop destroyed the firewall, moved the dash, jacked up the windshield frame and top yada yada yada.... I was really bummed I hurt my wife who got 4 staples out of the deal along with a concussion.

Since then we have had a successful trip with some new friends. Got to try out the new winch the wife bought me
She must have hit her head pretty hard.

You flop. Damage the Scout.

She gets staples and a concussion, and then she buys you a new winch?


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Flip the ring over and torque it down, then it'll be straight again
I thought about doing that. For a second.



Don't have to ask, we can tell by the tire skid marks. Donuts are easy. Just don't let off half way through.

Is that you walking off with your head down in shame?

No, I took the picture. I didn't even get 1/4 of a donut and caught a high spot.



She must have hit her head pretty hard.

You flop. Damage the Scout.

She gets staples and a concussion, and then she buys you a new winch?


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She bought the winch before the flop And yes, she is a keeper. She has taken up photography We went to the mud bogs a few weeks ago. We went night wheeling with a few guys and dropped down a extreme trail through some mud pits ending at the creek. "Let me out, I will take pictures"

Our daughter and her friend were in the back seat, I could hear the screaming in my dead ear
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About 4 years ago I took a chance and made my own doubler. I never had a chance to give it a try until recently. One ton brakes have NO chance against a doubler

I used a 1988 dodge np241 for the reduction box and a 1991 chevy np241. I ordered a shaft from a vendor and took my chances getting everything lined up.

It's as quiet as it can be which surprised me. The clocking of the Dodge case on the chevy transmission adapter put the blockoff plate up so no leaking has happened.... yet.

I did a hack-n-tap on the output of the rear case. If anyone want's to see how I did it just ask and I will find those pictures. I gained a few inches and have a 25 inch drive shaft in the rear.
I'd like pics of the hack-n-tap... And more of the doubler if you have them, because what the hell...
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