I know the 727s chrysler shipped to IH were 2 distinct patterns, the 392 bells were the distinctive sv, but the ones for 304s were an amc bell. Did IH buy some 304s off amc or did the 304 have it's own bolt pattern shared with the amcs?
txs said:I know the 727s chrysler shipped to IH were 2 distinct patterns, the 392 bells were the distinctive sv, but the ones for 304s were an amc bell. Did IH buy some 304s off amc or did the 304 have it's own bolt pattern shared with the amcs?
Some Scouts got the 258I6, and some 2wd travelalls (very rare) got 401s.txs said:So did they put the amc motors in scouts, light line trucks, both?
Yes, Mech covered that above, the 232 and the 258.txs said:So did they put the amc motors in scouts, light line trucks, both?
I've never heard of a Scout that came with a 401 in it (BTW, IH badged it as a 400 even though it was an AMC 401). Scout did get the 258 straight six, but I think the only thing to get the 401's were the light line trucks. Rumour has it that they did this when there was a shortage of SV345 and/or SV392. As a substitute, they used the 401.txs said:So did they put the amc motors in scouts, light line trucks, both?
I have one. AMC to IH T18/19. what's it worth?txs said:ok, the ones I saw had to be for the 258 and or 401 motors. Did IH install manual trannies behind either of the amc motors? I need one of those bells.
Your correct, but do you know what bolt pattern it is?IHREDRIDER said:Mechanos,
You missed one more 727 bellhousing used in a Scout II, the bellhousing for the 198 Nissan diesel.
It's Nissan SD33. No, I'm not trying to be a smartass. That engine was mostly used for industrial (forklift) and marine applications. The only automotive application I know of besides the Scout II was a FEW late 70's Dodge Ram pickups. Go to the Diesel forum in the B/B. Those smokeheads know FAR more than I do about this.No I don't. I've got one. It is not SV. My jeep buddy says it is not AMC. My mopar buddy says it is not sb or bb mopar. So I'm at a loss, unless my buddies are wrong and don't know what they speak of.
You've gotta think diesel (big rig/ag/industrial), instead of automotive terminology. "Bellhousing" isn't used. There's a flywheel housing (the "belhousing adapter" you refered to) and a clutch housing (rear section that bolts to the tranny). The flywheel housing will have an engine-specific shape/bolt pattern on the front, with a standardized SAE shape/pattern on the rear. The clutch housing has the standardized SAE pattern in the front, with a transmission-specific patern at the rear. The SAE patterns are numbered. SAE #1, SAE #2, etc. IIRC the Nissan used an SAE #4. I could be wrong on that # though. PLEASE go to the B/B diesel bord and read their FAQ and search for info on this.It bolts to a bellhousing adapter and not directly to the diesel block. So I don't know why they would not have used an "off the shelf" bellhousing since they had to make an adapter anyway.
The Scout diesel's automatic bellhousing is BB Mopar.IHREDRIDER said:Your correct, but do you know what bolt pattern it is?
No I don't. I've got one. It is not SV. My jeep buddy says it is not AMC. My mopar buddy says it is not sb or bb mopar. So I'm at a loss, unless my buddies are wrong and don't know what they speak of. It bolts to a bellhousing adapter and not directly to the diesel block. So I don't know why they would not have used an "off the shelf" bellhousing since they had to make an adapter anyway.
Pretty sure the SD33 * SD33T were also used quite a bit in the Nissan Patrols and (not real sure on this one) maybe even Rovers. Bob or one of the other Rover guys will have to comfirm or deny that.Creepy196 said:It's Nissan SD33. No, I'm not trying to be a smartass. That engine was mostly used for industrial (forklift) and marine applications. The only automotive application I know of besides the Scout II was a FEW late 70's Dodge Ram pickups. Go to the Diesel forum in the B/B. Those smokeheads know FAR more than I do about this.
You are correct on the Nissan Patrol apps. Rover didn't use SD33's OEM, however. Applications for the SD33 engines as far as road vehicles seem to be limited to the Scout, Patrol, and small metro delivery vans from UD Nissan.Mechanos said:Pretty sure the SD33 * SD33T were also used quite a bit in the Nissan Patrols and (not real sure on this one) maybe even Rovers. Bob or one of the other Rover guys will have to comfirm or deny that.
You're right. Coincidentally, I just read this in FourWheelParts ad rag TODAY! I'm a dumbass!! :shaking: Too much coffee and :beer: Not enough sleep...I was thinking ( I should give it up ,I know) the pre cummins dodge diesels were mitsubishi diesels, I dug up the 85, 86, and 87 727 build sheets.
D'oh! I forgot the Patrol. Did they ever use an SD33T in it? That'd be a cool combo.Pretty sure the SD33 * SD33T were also used quite a bit in the Nissan Patrols and (not real sure on this one) maybe even Rovers. Bob or one of the other Rover guys will have to comfirm or deny that.
Didn't the CJ10 come with the SD33 (or SD33T)? Or do you lump those as "prime movers" ?IHC-6 said:You are correct on the Nissan Patrol apps. Rover didn't use SD33's OEM, however. Applications for the SD33 engines as far as road vehicles seem to be limited to the Scout, Patrol, and small metro delivery vans from UD Nissan.
There are a lot of small army tank/prime movers with them though
The CJ-10 Airport tug had the SD33. So yes, it was a "prime mover".tsm1mt said:Didn't the CJ10 come with the SD33 (or SD33T)? Or do you lump those as "prime movers" ?
I never "passed" my "assumptions" (such as the existance of an "off the shelf" bellhousing that would connect an SD33 to a 727 without an adapter) as fact. I have FREELY ADMITTED that some info in my first post was flawed (even called myself a Dumbass), and that other folks "know FAR more than I do" IN THIS VERY THREAD. My MISTAKE (not an assumption or a meth induced hallucination) was that I had manual transmissions on the brain when I phrased my post, and spaced on the 727. The manual tranny setup for the SD33 in the Scout II is as I described.I'm sick of people (not all, but you know who you are)...
I was explaining WHY IHC USED AN "ADAPTER" instead of a one piece bellhousing, in response to YOUR QUESTION. I was certainly sticking to the subject. Why not tell Tsm1mt, IHC-6, Mechanos, Diesel Smoke, and Sully to "try to stick to the subject" of bellhousings as well? After all, they also discussed AMC I6, AMC V8, and SD33 applications on this "bellhousing only" (as proclaimed by your holiness) thread. Of course, it's kind of hard to discuss belhousings without discussing applications for the engines they're attached to...This tread was about bellhousings, not applications for the SD33 (or SD22 for that matter). Try to stick to the subject.
Who mentioned Sd22's? I didn't. I guess you were trying to show me that your knowledge of Nissan diesels is superior to mine (which I ADMITTED wasn't the best anyway...). Check out the big brain on IHREDRIDER! :massey:(or SD22 for that matter)