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Urban Wheeler · 07-09-2005, 12:13 PM

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It's nice to see some fresh blood in here. However, if you want us to take you seriously you will need to do a couple things for us.

1. Pay attention to spelling and grammar. You look like an idiot when you spell wrong. Don't use text-speak either. You're not paying by the character.

2. If you ask for advice and we give it to you, take it. Don't tell people you're going to do it your way anyway. The collective knowledge and experience here is immeasurable.

3. Search before you post! You'll get a lot of smart assed answers if you ask questions without searching. We're not going to hold your hand, we're not going to spoon feed you, you need to at least make an effort to find answers before you post.

4. Don't ask us about stock trucks. We don't do that here.

5. Use this FAQ. I've done a lot of searching so you don't have to.

6. If we flame you it's probably because of one of these.

Posted by Drew Merrick -
A guide, or at best, advice, for noobs and their ilk.

Prologue: The IH Pirate Community.

1% ers? in a weird way, sure, why not? No disrespect to the 1%'er MC clubs, in their own way IH Pirates are a brotherhood created from desire do what ever the hell they want to with their own iron. They are the "Bobbers and Choppers" of the IH world. They are pretty much 1% of the IH community when it comes to IH society and fitting in with it. They are a counter culture.

When I meet with MC members there is always one rule that I follow to the letter. Give respect, get respect. End of story. Follow that advice here and you might end up with good advice and good friends instead of looking like a fool while everyone subscribes to your post for a good laugh.

With that being said, you need to think about your post if you have little experience here. The success or failure of your inquiry is in your hands. If you want to avoid a train wreck follow this little guide.

Definitions:
Pirate - IH experts who have taken fabrication to an extreme level on more than one vehicle successfully and garnered years of experience and expertise in operating in this environment. Elite.

Noob - YOU! mostly clueless, found this site from a google search on "Kick Ass Lifts for my Scouts". You had heard about Pirate through extreme 4x4 or heard your brothers friends talk about it in the other room while you were exploring your puberty in the bathroom. Either way, you decided to click here instead of Binder Planet, Binder Bench, IHOnly North, or some other accredited helpfull site...

Guide:
1.) What you are about to ask has been answered before on one of the user friendly sites. Search there first.

2.) Respect the knowledge and experience here. Until you have earned respect yourself you will be tested and broken. The best advice comes from Animal House, "Thank you sir, may I have another?". Just take it.

On the other hand, if you are thinking about saving the honor of a noob prospect then you should realize that this is a brotherhood. Right or wrong, Pirate guys stick to eachother. They are unified and righteous and not afraid of offending or getting offended. Every conflict they go through together makes em stronger. The more you F with them the more resolved they are as one.

3.) Before you ever post anything you should spend at least 100 hrs reading through old posts on this site. By reading those you will arm yourself with knowledge on how to act here and what you can expect from your actions.

4.) When in conflict with the personal advice and offenses thrown at you here it is helpful to step back and look at it through their eyes. When you do you will see that you truly are totally fucking retarded.

Conclusion:
Give respect, Get respect. It really can't be clearer.
You really shouldn't be posting or asking anything until you have contributed some way to the community. Build up respect by showing your skills in fabricating or wheeling or in your earnest desire to learn from an expert. Learn to take insults and offenses lightly. You should also have at least an 8th grader's concept of grammar, spelling, and sentence structure.

Thanks.

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Searching
This is by no means the end all/be all and you should stop searching! There is ALOT of information on the board, and I have been 'picking' and choosing important threads out of IH talk that I feel were very informative and helpful. No, NOT all questions will be answered with this FAQ, but it is a good start and you might even find further links within these threads for help.

1. Remember that you have to have 4 characters! D44 won't work, but D44* will!
2. Try to pinpoint what you are looking for.
3. You have to be somewhat intelligent to use the search. Think hard about what you are looking for, you'll find it.
4. Wade through it all. This board has been up for quite a while. It is very easy to get 500 threads in a search.
5. 500 threads is the MAXIMUM it will return. Use the date range functionality of the search to narrow things down!

As always if you have a link to a good thread (on PBB or elsewhere) pm it to me so I can add it.

FAQ for Scouts

Stock Scout and other IH questions can be answered here...
Newbie Forum

Tech threads

Leaf Spring Suspensions
"What are you running?"
"Front springs?"
"Leaf spring gurus"
Discussion/flame fest on shackle reversal
Traction bars (IH thread)
Traction bars (Jeep thread)
Traction bars (General Tech thread)
Spring over axle conversion by Bill usn-1
SOA-Turning knuckles

Link suspensions
Buck Dodson's Front 3 Link
Slydog's one link Scroll to post 45
Shelljeep's Wishbone (One-Link) rear suspension project
"One link?" (Also see "What are you running" and "Sugar Bear's build")
"4 Link vs graderball"
Triaged's 4 link analyzer
The God Of Suspension... [for those of you who don't know]
Four Link suspensions
Links for Dummies
ExcelCAD - Link design program
Coils springs

Axle Improvements
Improving a front 44
Making a 44 stronger
BillaVista's gear setup article
Gear setup info
Gear break in thread
Rear discs on a d44
Hydro-boost
Hydroboost links on Pirate
Hydroboost in an 80/800
BillaVista's hydro-assist article
HOS's model 80 brake upgrade
Ram assist
Replacing Scout outers
14b disc brake conversion
Modernize 1974-1975 IH 200 Truck 4x4 axles

Electrical threads and tech
Taurus fan
Two speed fan wiring
Relays and other stuff stuff
Thermostat switch
Wire selection chart
Wire tech
1 wire vs 3 wire alternator
Rewiring a Scout II

Engine Tech
JetFxr's IH engine tech thread
Harvester of Sorrow's fuel injected Caddy motor
JustIH.org forum
BinderPlanet.com forum
Best motor for a Scout?
Chevy gen III 5.3 tech
3800 Bible

Transfer case tech
BillaVista's Uber-20 t-case part 1
Uber-20 t-case part 2
Mechanos' 203/205 doubler
Doubler again
Dana 300

Roll Cages
80/800 cages
Cage/frame tie-in
Rollcage Design

Extra stuff
oil pan mod
Installing a Jeep d300
On board air
Another on board air
OBA compressor tech
On board welder
Driveshafts
Ammo can dimensions
In bed storage - MochaMike
More in-bed storage
Fender Trimming 401
Bumpers
Trail tools

Buildup threads

80/800s
Benchslap
MochaMike
War Pony
Brandon's official build thread
TracTracTor Offroad
Urban Wheeler's Project Tetanus Shot part 1 part 2
Guido's 1965 Scout 80
Brandon's official Scout 80 build
Scouttank's Build
Copperhead's T-Rex build
Plug ugly's 80 build
chestonScout's rebuild
Robselina's "junk pile"
BLK Scout 800 Phase 3 Dovetail 4 link rear
BRAAAP41's Scout Comanche Buildup
rkscout's Then and Now, an 800 build
C4x4.com's This Old Scout (no relation to PBB's Old Scout

)
Chief yelling alot's unofficial 800 build

Scout II's
Danny Israel's Winter Build
Cajun
Old Scout
Slipscomb's slideshow
Sugar Bear's build
Larboc's Scoutzall
Chief yelling alot's turbo propane 345
ihojeff
Fresh Meat ~ a Scout Racer Build
Project Evolution
Snoopy's RockBinder
Scouttank's build posted by Scout254

Other IH
Psychocj's Travelall
Blind Driver's pickup
Azzy2000's '56 S-120 4x4
Jetfxr's tow rig Travellette

Picture threads
Time to stretch those legs! (pictures from the trail)
Show off your IH by Brandon
80/800 gallery
Cages
All the build ups thread from Gen 4x4
Video thread

TOTWs in other forums

Jeep Talk TOTM
Chevy TalkTOTM
Ford TalkTOTM

Other IH BBs

More forums found here

IH vendors

good/bad vendors
IH Vendors can be found here

Classic threads

Timing chain
Project Merkwurdig
Why be an IH asshole
Why be an ass to newbs?
John Comer/Gryphin Racing (Must Read)

Bill usn-1 · 07-20-2005, 01:16 PM

There has been quite a few questions about some of these.
That's why I started documenting.
You can probably pick any one and find numerous threads on it.

Use what you want.

LINKS FIXED

Other build ups.
Rear Disc Jeep D300 OBA OBW Interior PS pump reseal Hydro-boost Mirrors Headliner
Bushing replacement Roll cage Fuel Injection

Urban Wheeler · 07-22-2005, 12:39 AM

Have any text to add to the pics? I'll add a link if you do.

Bill, I will add most of those links, and maybe link direct to some of the Jeep forum threads like this one.

Who wants this stickied?

Joe V · 07-22-2005, 10:52 AM

A fast an easy way to find good threads is to simply use the sorting tools located in the right hand corner right above where the threads start or you can use the Display Option field in the bottom left corner, be sure to change to From the Beginning

Rating Replies Views

These features also work great in other forums.

BTW, if you already knew this...never mind.

Urban Wheeler · 07-26-2005, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creepy196

Nicely put together Matt! Now my wife (and boss) have YOU to blame when I waste EVEN MORE time sifting through all those Scout tech and buildup threads!!!

Thanks. I swiped the disclaimers from the Jeep board, who stole it from the Toyota guys.

I put a little into it every day, although I do count on the board to give some ideas and links to add. I was going to link to Damian's build on his website but thought I should link to his build thread here and add a vendor section so I could link to him (and others) there.

Anyway, Ben's Newbie FAQ gave me some ideas on what to include and what not to.

Brandon · 05-30-2006, 08:19 PM

I just noticd my build up is listed under SII, it's an 80

Brandon · 05-30-2006, 08:21 PM

also there is a roll cage thread, and since I suck and don't have a red star to search..

Creepy196 · 05-31-2006, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon

also there is a roll cage thread, and since I suck and don't have a red star to search..

Brandon · 05-31-2006, 03:01 PM

thanks!!

plug ugly · 07-17-2008, 05:12 PM

are there any good resources for model comparisons. mostly looking at wheel base and approach/departure angle stuff between 80/800 and II's

Creepy196 · 07-18-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plug ugly

are there any good resources for model comparisons. mostly looking at wheel base and approach/departure angle stuff between 80/800 and II's

Best bet for basic info like that would be www.binderbulletin.org and www.justih.org

Both the Scout 80/800 and the standard Scout II have a 100" WB. The Scout Terra (half cab 'pickup' version of the SII) and the Scout Traveler (full cab version of the Terra) have a 118" WB and were available from 1975 through 1980 (Concurent with standard SII production). Guys have bobbed Terra/Traveler Scouts to achieve a longer WB Scout II.

All versions of the Scout have basicaly the same approach angle (within a few degrees). The SII has a much crappier departure angle (stock),and the Terra/Traveler are even worse. Like with any other deficiencies, this can be remedied. Again, bobbing is popular, as is moving the axles...

guidolyons · 08-17-2009, 09:05 PM

Thanks for getting the FAQ back from the blackhole of cyberspace

and thanks to Urban Wheeler for maintaining it.

WYJAX · 12-02-2010, 09:42 PM

This thread is my homepage, it drives my wife bat-shit crazy!

shaimus · 10-01-2012, 08:31 PM

Well this is not my first rodeo I have removed and replaced engines before, 84 Z 28 and a 1999 Honda Prelude ,which I did several times by myself . when I was 16 I did the ground up restoration of 80 CJ 7 with my dad , but it has been a long time since I have work on any car or automobile, so this being said .I just wanted a little information

shaimus · 10-01-2012, 08:34 PM

oh and also I'm a member of binder planet .
this is where I heard of pirate 4 by 4 and I mean no disrespect I appreciate all the information you give me .

07-09-2005, 12:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
Urban Wheeler Tactical Turtleneck Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26369 Location: Hanging out with a Kiwi Posts: 4,542 Blog Entries: 5	Before You Post... Read *THE FAQ!* - ------------------Disclaimer------------------------------ Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board It's nice to see some fresh blood in here. However, if you want us to take you seriously you will need to do a couple things for us. 1. Pay attention to spelling and grammar. You look like an idiot when you spell wrong. Don't use text-speak either. You're not paying by the character. 2. If you ask for advice and we give it to you, take it. Don't tell people you're going to do it your way anyway. The collective knowledge and experience here is immeasurable. 3. Search before you post! You'll get a lot of smart assed answers if you ask questions without searching. We're not going to hold your hand, we're not going to spoon feed you, you need to at least make an effort to find answers before you post. 4. Don't ask us about stock trucks. We don't do that here. 5. Use this FAQ. I've done a lot of searching so you don't have to. 6. If we flame you it's probably because of one of these. Posted by Drew Merrick - A guide, or at best, advice, for noobs and their ilk. Prologue: The IH Pirate Community. 1% ers? in a weird way, sure, why not? No disrespect to the 1%'er MC clubs, in their own way IH Pirates are a brotherhood created from desire do what ever the hell they want to with their own iron. They are the "Bobbers and Choppers" of the IH world. They are pretty much 1% of the IH community when it comes to IH society and fitting in with it. They are a counter culture. When I meet with MC members there is always one rule that I follow to the letter. Give respect, get respect. End of story. Follow that advice here and you might end up with good advice and good friends instead of looking like a fool while everyone subscribes to your post for a good laugh. With that being said, you need to think about your post if you have little experience here. The success or failure of your inquiry is in your hands. If you want to avoid a train wreck follow this little guide. Definitions: Pirate - IH experts who have taken fabrication to an extreme level on more than one vehicle successfully and garnered years of experience and expertise in operating in this environment. Elite. Noob - YOU! mostly clueless, found this site from a google search on "Kick Ass Lifts for my Scouts". You had heard about Pirate through extreme 4x4 or heard your brothers friends talk about it in the other room while you were exploring your puberty in the bathroom. Either way, you decided to click here instead of Binder Planet, Binder Bench, IHOnly North, or some other accredited helpfull site... Guide: 1.) What you are about to ask has been answered before on one of the user friendly sites. Search there first. 2.) Respect the knowledge and experience here. Until you have earned respect yourself you will be tested and broken. The best advice comes from Animal House, "Thank you sir, may I have another?". Just take it. On the other hand, if you are thinking about saving the honor of a noob prospect then you should realize that this is a brotherhood. Right or wrong, Pirate guys stick to eachother. They are unified and righteous and not afraid of offending or getting offended. Every conflict they go through together makes em stronger. The more you F with them the more resolved they are as one. 3.) Before you ever post anything you should spend at least 100 hrs reading through old posts on this site. By reading those you will arm yourself with knowledge on how to act here and what you can expect from your actions. 4.) When in conflict with the personal advice and offenses thrown at you here it is helpful to step back and look at it through their eyes. When you do you will see that you truly are totally fucking retarded. Conclusion: Give respect, Get respect. It really can't be clearer. You really shouldn't be posting or asking anything until you have contributed some way to the community. Build up respect by showing your skills in fabricating or wheeling or in your earnest desire to learn from an expert. Learn to take insults and offenses lightly. You should also have at least an 8th grader's concept of grammar, spelling, and sentence structure. Thanks. ------------------Disclaimer------------------------------ Searching This is by no means the end all/be all and you should stop searching! There is ALOT of information on the board, and I have been 'picking' and choosing important threads out of IH talk that I feel were very informative and helpful. No, NOT all questions will be answered with this FAQ, but it is a good start and you might even find further links within these threads for help. 1. Remember that you have to have 4 characters! D44 won't work, but D44* will! 2. Try to pinpoint what you are looking for. 3. You have to be somewhat intelligent to use the search. Think hard about what you are looking for, you'll find it. 4. Wade through it all. This board has been up for quite a while. It is very easy to get 500 threads in a search. 5. 500 threads is the MAXIMUM it will return. Use the date range functionality of the search to narrow things down! As always if you have a link to a good thread (on PBB or elsewhere) pm it to me so I can add it. FAQ for Scouts Stock Scout and other IH questions can be answered here... Newbie Forum Tech threads Leaf Spring Suspensions "What are you running?" "Front springs?" "Leaf spring gurus" Discussion/flame fest on shackle reversal Traction bars (IH thread) Traction bars (Jeep thread) Traction bars (General Tech thread) Spring over axle conversion by Bill usn-1 SOA-Turning knuckles Link suspensions Buck Dodson's Front 3 Link Slydog's one link Scroll to post 45 Shelljeep's Wishbone (One-Link) rear suspension project "One link?" (Also see "What are you running" and "Sugar Bear's build") "4 Link vs graderball" Triaged's 4 link analyzer The God Of Suspension... [for those of you who don't know] Four Link suspensions Links for Dummies ExcelCAD - Link design program Coils springs Axle Improvements Improving a front 44 Making a 44 stronger BillaVista's gear setup article Gear setup info Gear break in thread Rear discs on a d44 Hydro-boost Hydroboost links on Pirate Hydroboost in an 80/800 BillaVista's hydro-assist article HOS's model 80 brake upgrade Ram assist Replacing Scout outers 14b disc brake conversion Modernize 1974-1975 IH 200 Truck 4x4 axles Electrical threads and tech Taurus fan Two speed fan wiring Relays and other stuff stuff Thermostat switch Wire selection chart Wire tech 1 wire vs 3 wire alternator Rewiring a Scout II Engine Tech JetFxr's IH engine tech thread Harvester of Sorrow's fuel injected Caddy motor JustIH.org forum BinderPlanet.com forum Best motor for a Scout? Chevy gen III 5.3 tech 3800 Bible Transfer case tech BillaVista's Uber-20 t-case part 1 Uber-20 t-case part 2 Mechanos' 203/205 doubler Doubler again Dana 300 Roll Cages 80/800 cages Cage/frame tie-in Rollcage Design Extra stuff oil pan mod Installing a Jeep d300 On board air Another on board air OBA compressor tech On board welder Driveshafts Ammo can dimensions In bed storage - MochaMike More in-bed storage Fender Trimming 401 Bumpers Trail tools Buildup threads 80/800s Benchslap MochaMike War Pony Brandon's official build thread TracTracTor Offroad Urban Wheeler's Project Tetanus Shot part 1 part 2 Guido's 1965 Scout 80 Brandon's official Scout 80 build Scouttank's Build Copperhead's T-Rex build Plug ugly's 80 build chestonScout's rebuild Robselina's "junk pile" BLK Scout 800 Phase 3 Dovetail 4 link rear BRAAAP41's Scout Comanche Buildup rkscout's Then and Now, an 800 build C4x4.com's This Old Scout (no relation to PBB's Old Scout ) Chief yelling alot's unofficial 800 build Scout II's Danny Israel's Winter Build Cajun Old Scout Slipscomb's slideshow Sugar Bear's build Larboc's Scoutzall Chief yelling alot's turbo propane 345 ihojeff Fresh Meat ~ a Scout Racer Build Project Evolution Snoopy's RockBinder Scouttank's build posted by Scout254 Other IH Psychocj's Travelall Blind Driver's pickup Azzy2000's '56 S-120 4x4 Jetfxr's tow rig Travellette Picture threads Time to stretch those legs! (pictures from the trail) Show off your IH by Brandon 80/800 gallery Cages All the build ups thread from Gen 4x4 Video thread TOTWs in other forums Jeep Talk TOTM Chevy TalkTOTM Ford TalkTOTM Other IH BBs More forums found here IH vendors good/bad vendors IH Vendors can be found here Classic threads Timing chain Project Merkwurdig Why be an IH asshole Why be an ass to newbs? John Comer/Gryphin Racing (Must Read) Last edited by Urban Wheeler; 09-05-2012 at 11:12 AM.

07-20-2005, 01:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bill usn-1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20423 Location: Finally back in the US-Wdby Is, WA Posts: 1,066	There has been quite a few questions about some of these. That's why I started documenting. You can probably pick any one and find numerous threads on it. Use what you want. LINKS FIXED Other build ups. Rear Disc Jeep D300 OBA OBW Interior PS pump reseal Hydro-boost Mirrors Headliner Bushing replacement Roll cage Fuel Injection __________________ Bill USN-1 EFI Moderator at http://www.binderplanet.com Last edited by Bill usn-1; 12-29-2011 at 12:45 PM.

07-22-2005, 10:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
Joe V Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Member # 2243 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 902	A fast an easy way to find good threads is to simply use the sorting tools located in the right hand corner right above where the threads start or you can use the Display Option field in the bottom left corner, be sure to change to From the Beginning Rating Replies Views These features also work great in other forums. BTW, if you already knew this...never mind. __________________ "After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done." Clark Olmstead

05-30-2006, 08:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Brandon Registered User Join Date: Mar 1975 Member # 6 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 13,666	I just noticd my build up is listed under SII, it's an 80 __________________ This Space for rent!

05-30-2006, 08:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brandon Registered User Join Date: Mar 1975 Member # 6 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 13,666	also there is a roll cage thread, and since I suck and don't have a red star to search.. __________________ This Space for rent!

05-31-2006, 03:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Brandon Registered User Join Date: Mar 1975 Member # 6 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 13,666	thanks!! __________________ This Space for rent!

07-17-2008, 05:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
plug ugly Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16680 Location: Rocklin Posts: 2,832	are there any good resources for model comparisons. mostly looking at wheel base and approach/departure angle stuff between 80/800 and II's __________________ 94 Mall Rated Bronco-R.I.P. 1961 Scout 80 stretched and linked wt4x4.com PM me for CPR/First Aid Instruction for you club

12-02-2010, 09:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
WYJAX Way tougher than you Join Date: Aug 2009 Member # 141446 Location: Powell, Wyoming Posts: 408	This thread is my homepage, it drives my wife bat-shit crazy!

10-01-2012, 08:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
shaimus Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Member # 228543 Location: bakersfield. C.A. Posts: 3	Well this is not my first rodeo I have removed and replaced engines before, 84 Z 28 and a 1999 Honda Prelude ,which I did several times by myself . when I was 16 I did the ground up restoration of 80 CJ 7 with my dad , but it has been a long time since I have work on any car or automobile, so this being said .I just wanted a little information

10-01-2012, 08:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
shaimus Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Member # 228543 Location: bakersfield. C.A. Posts: 3	oh and also I'm a member of binder planet . this is where I heard of pirate 4 by 4 and I mean no disrespect I appreciate all the information you give me .

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