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Docfranco · 07-12-2005, 09:19 AM

I have a 1980 Scout 2 with a parts mike high steer setup, running deaver springs all around and SOA. I still have the flat spring sway bar between the shackles, which helps some. But i have some issues when i hit dips or bumps, the front wheels seem to pull to the right then back. I also have a lot of sway around corners. I am thinking of some rockequipment sway bars front and rear to help with the handling.
I realize its all a compromise to find the flex, decent ride and some stability. Anyone else find a good compromise that works?

c r a c k e r · 07-12-2005, 12:17 PM

That sounds like bump steer? What are "deaver" springs? are they lift springs?

I assume you went Partsmike all the way? (knuckles, super arms, tie rod and drag-link)

I just finished my junk - cut and turn, stock springs, parts mike knuckles, superarms, drag and tie, bilstein long travel w/ f250 towers, no sway bar - drives AWESOME.

ihojeff · 07-12-2005, 01:29 PM

Sounds like you have bumpsteer but with a hysteer setup you should be fine. Are you sure the steering box isn't off center? What I mean by this is when the front tires are pointing straight ahead is the pitman arm also straight ahead or off to the right some? If its off to the right adjust the draglink so the pitarm is pointing straight forward then readjust your steering wheel.

I've personally seen rock equipments swaybars. Have yet to try out a set but will someday.

Deaver is a company in socal that build custom leaf packs.
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Docfranco · 07-12-2005, 01:53 PM

The deavers are 3 in lift springs custom made and are an 11 spring pack, great flex but i think that is where part of my problem is. I did go with parts mike knuckels arms ect. I do still need to get a shorter pitman arm to match the length of the steering arms, but i dont think that should be part of what is going on. Maybe I am expecting to much...

RustoleumWhite · 07-12-2005, 03:44 PM

With lift spring on top of a SOA, even with high-steer the draglink *typically* is still at an angle. Hence you will get a degree of bumpsteer, probably roughly equivalent to that of a 4" spring lift SUA.

With soft springs it might just be accented do to bodyroll ect.

Stiffer shocks might help, but sway bars would be cool. A "steering stabilizer" would help mask the bump steer but slowing the reaction of the steering when you hit a bump..

maybe a cheap "fix" to make it more tolerable.

just my thought off the top of my head.

Docfranco · 07-12-2005, 04:25 PM

I am running Edelbrock IAS shocks which seem pretty stiff. I guess i will look into getting a set of sway bars for both ends and see how that helps.

c r a c k e r · 07-13-2005, 12:17 PM

I have a brand new steering stabilizer that I put on last friday (rancho set) - I found that I don't quite have enough clearance for it at full stuff, so I might be able to sell to you at discount if you are interested.

I'll try removing it soon to be sure I want to run without.

PM me if interested

Docfranco · 07-13-2005, 05:01 PM

Thanks, but i am leaning towards doing a hydro assist to help my steering out. I think that will accomplish some dampening effect...

07-12-2005, 09:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
Docfranco Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Member # 33649 Location: Redondo Beach Kalifoniya Posts: 248	steering & sway problem I have a 1980 Scout 2 with a parts mike high steer setup, running deaver springs all around and SOA. I still have the flat spring sway bar between the shackles, which helps some. But i have some issues when i hit dips or bumps, the front wheels seem to pull to the right then back. I also have a lot of sway around corners. I am thinking of some rockequipment sway bars front and rear to help with the handling. I realize its all a compromise to find the flex, decent ride and some stability. Anyone else find a good compromise that works?

07-12-2005, 03:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
RustoleumWhite Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4506 Location: WA Posts: 4,663	With lift spring on top of a SOA, even with high-steer the draglink typically is still at an angle. Hence you will get a degree of bumpsteer, probably roughly equivalent to that of a 4" spring lift SUA. With soft springs it might just be accented do to bodyroll ect. Stiffer shocks might help, but sway bars would be cool. A "steering stabilizer" would help mask the bump steer but slowing the reaction of the steering when you hit a bump.. maybe a cheap "fix" to make it more tolerable. just my thought off the top of my head. __________________ I wheel a mean jackstand

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07-12-2005, 12:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
c r a c k e r Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32314 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 38	That sounds like bump steer? What are "deaver" springs? are they lift springs? I assume you went Partsmike all the way? (knuckles, super arms, tie rod and drag-link) I just finished my junk - cut and turn, stock springs, parts mike knuckles, superarms, drag and tie, bilstein long travel w/ f250 towers, no sway bar - drives AWESOME.

07-12-2005, 01:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
ihojeff IH Parts for America Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 21419 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 1,535 Blog Entries: 1	Sounds like you have bumpsteer but with a hysteer setup you should be fine. Are you sure the steering box isn't off center? What I mean by this is when the front tires are pointing straight ahead is the pitman arm also straight ahead or off to the right some? If its off to the right adjust the draglink so the pitarm is pointing straight forward then readjust your steering wheel. I've personally seen rock equipments swaybars. Have yet to try out a set but will someday. Deaver is a company in socal that build custom leaf packs. ________ How to roll a blunt

07-12-2005, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Docfranco Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Member # 33649 Location: Redondo Beach Kalifoniya Posts: 248	The deavers are 3 in lift springs custom made and are an 11 spring pack, great flex but i think that is where part of my problem is. I did go with parts mike knuckels arms ect. I do still need to get a shorter pitman arm to match the length of the steering arms, but i dont think that should be part of what is going on. Maybe I am expecting to much...

07-12-2005, 04:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Docfranco Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Member # 33649 Location: Redondo Beach Kalifoniya Posts: 248	I am running Edelbrock IAS shocks which seem pretty stiff. I guess i will look into getting a set of sway bars for both ends and see how that helps.

07-13-2005, 12:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
c r a c k e r Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32314 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 38	I have a brand new steering stabilizer that I put on last friday (rancho set) - I found that I don't quite have enough clearance for it at full stuff, so I might be able to sell to you at discount if you are interested. I'll try removing it soon to be sure I want to run without. PM me if interested

07-13-2005, 05:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Docfranco Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Member # 33649 Location: Redondo Beach Kalifoniya Posts: 248	Thanks, but i am leaning towards doing a hydro assist to help my steering out. I think that will accomplish some dampening effect...