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Munchies · 09-18-2005, 02:30 PM

http://www.tmcom.com/~rockhard/rock5.htm

What are the downfalls to using something like this as opposed to running a chevy drivetrain behind the cad?

Binder · 09-18-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchies

http://www.tmcom.com/~rockhard/rock5.htm

What are the downfalls to using something like this as opposed to running CHEV drivetrain behind the cad?

I assume you mean GM.

Says Chev or Cad to IH but it doesn't look like thier enough blot holes for all 3 mfgs. Also missing would be the crank spacer. Other than that I would prefer the GM auto's over the Chrysler.

Chief yelling alot · 09-18-2005, 08:39 PM

So Its a BOPC to IH transmission?

Munchies · 09-18-2005, 09:03 PM

Yes. It appears to be a BOP to IH adapter. One could theoretically run a BOP to chev adapter behind that, but I just found another adapter for a chevy engine to bolt to an IH tranny. That gives me the idea, cant one run the BOP-chev adapter and run the caddy infront of the chevy adapters that have been around for so long?

scoutkid · 09-18-2005, 10:01 PM

Mine looks VERY similar to that. Maulis made mine... i have never seen any from another manufacturer, makes me wonder... hmmmm. Anyhow, no need for a crank spacer, if you are using a 4 speed, i use a T-19 wide box, then the spacer is the correct thickness for using a chevy 12" clutch housing. Well, that mounted to a billet flywheel from cad500parts.com.

I'm sure you all know caddy's never came with a manual, so you have to buy a custom flywheel. I am very happy with mine, it has mouting holes for a 11" or 12" chevy housing. You use a scout clutch pressure plate and disk, and set it up to the same height as a STOCK scout clutch, if that makes any sense. Any good clutch shop should be able to do it. Mine is a miss matched bunch of tractor forks, and semi springs. Looks amazing, and is tough as shit. The sweet thing is, a ford input T-19 shaft has same spline as scout, so they readily make ceramic, or organic, or whatever discs you would want. Make sure you have it built to hold more than the power your caddy will put down.

Ohhh, and another thing. People will say, 'the caddy crank isn't drilled for a pilot bearing'. Well, to avoid this, pop the little bearing race out the back of yo' scout motor, whittle it's O.D. down till if fits NICE and snug into the back of a 500 crank. there is a recess there. Now your little scout pilot bearing has its new home in the ass of a 500 crank!

Easy!! It all went together easier than any other IH to IH swap i have done! I will have to think for a minute on the throw out bearing, im pretty much positive its the stock scout one, but you really need to get a greasable one.

Other than that, bolt the aluminum adapter to the motor, the tranny to the adapter, and rock. Remember this: you will need to move your drive train back, FAR, if you want to have a mech. fan. Plan on getting a 4 core rad from a 76 eldo, you will still have to trim your inner fenders to fit it, they are large. An early eldo oilpan and you are set!

I say this, but the flywheel costs around $350, the clutch was $175, the rad was $200, the oilpan was $175, the adapter was $300... i mean, when you add it up, its an expensive little unit i have going here! Good luck!

Now on the caddy to auto, i don't know as much. I do know you might as well get the extra gear, and slap a TH400 on anyhow. It would be just as easy and messing with new TC's and all that, making sure it has the right depth.

Munchies · 09-18-2005, 10:07 PM

What has everyone done for engine mounts in a 472/500 scout setup?

scoutkid · 09-20-2005, 09:19 PM

basically like this: |\ motor /| Just took some, of i think 4 x 2 or 6 x 2 rectangular tube, cut a rectangle, then bisected it along the long axis. I can measure them up this weekend, but you basically slot the 'mounting edge', attach them to the motor loosely, then slide the motor down in place, square everything up, tilt motor up about 2.5 - 3 degrees to allow air to escape, and burn the 'legs' onto the frame rails. I should add this is using the stock caddy engine mounts/rubber bushing things that have the stud poking out of them. Has held up for quite a while now, i will take pics this weekend.

Really not too tough.

Munchies · 09-20-2005, 09:59 PM

Edit...Didnt read the whole thing..

Snap a few pics?

09-18-2005, 02:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Munchies BAMF Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42606 Location: Gulf Coast bound! Posts: 2,161	Ih to cad adapter?!?! http://www.tmcom.com/~rockhard/rock5.htm What are the downfalls to using something like this as opposed to running a chevy drivetrain behind the cad?

09-18-2005, 08:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chief yelling alot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7646 Location: New Westminster B.C. Canada Posts: 5,345	So Its a BOPC to IH transmission? __________________ 85 suzuki sj 410, 82 suzuki sj 410 pickup 68 IH pickup, 78 Scout II 76 Scoutt II turbo 345 propane

09-18-2005, 10:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
scoutkid Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11798 Location: golden CO Posts: 425	Mine looks VERY similar to that. Maulis made mine... i have never seen any from another manufacturer, makes me wonder... hmmmm. Anyhow, no need for a crank spacer, if you are using a 4 speed, i use a T-19 wide box, then the spacer is the correct thickness for using a chevy 12" clutch housing. Well, that mounted to a billet flywheel from cad500parts.com. I'm sure you all know caddy's never came with a manual, so you have to buy a custom flywheel. I am very happy with mine, it has mouting holes for a 11" or 12" chevy housing. You use a scout clutch pressure plate and disk, and set it up to the same height as a STOCK scout clutch, if that makes any sense. Any good clutch shop should be able to do it. Mine is a miss matched bunch of tractor forks, and semi springs. Looks amazing, and is tough as shit. The sweet thing is, a ford input T-19 shaft has same spline as scout, so they readily make ceramic, or organic, or whatever discs you would want. Make sure you have it built to hold more than the power your caddy will put down. Ohhh, and another thing. People will say, 'the caddy crank isn't drilled for a pilot bearing'. Well, to avoid this, pop the little bearing race out the back of yo' scout motor, whittle it's O.D. down till if fits NICE and snug into the back of a 500 crank. there is a recess there. Now your little scout pilot bearing has its new home in the ass of a 500 crank! Easy!! It all went together easier than any other IH to IH swap i have done! I will have to think for a minute on the throw out bearing, im pretty much positive its the stock scout one, but you really need to get a greasable one. Other than that, bolt the aluminum adapter to the motor, the tranny to the adapter, and rock. Remember this: you will need to move your drive train back, FAR, if you want to have a mech. fan. Plan on getting a 4 core rad from a 76 eldo, you will still have to trim your inner fenders to fit it, they are large. An early eldo oilpan and you are set! I say this, but the flywheel costs around $350, the clutch was $175, the rad was $200, the oilpan was $175, the adapter was $300... i mean, when you add it up, its an expensive little unit i have going here! Good luck! Now on the caddy to auto, i don't know as much. I do know you might as well get the extra gear, and slap a TH400 on anyhow. It would be just as easy and messing with new TC's and all that, making sure it has the right depth. __________________ 2003 E350 7.3L Diesel UJOR 4x4

09-20-2005, 09:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
scoutkid Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11798 Location: golden CO Posts: 425	basically like this: \|\ motor /\| Just took some, of i think 4 x 2 or 6 x 2 rectangular tube, cut a rectangle, then bisected it along the long axis. I can measure them up this weekend, but you basically slot the 'mounting edge', attach them to the motor loosely, then slide the motor down in place, square everything up, tilt motor up about 2.5 - 3 degrees to allow air to escape, and burn the 'legs' onto the frame rails. I should add this is using the stock caddy engine mounts/rubber bushing things that have the stud poking out of them. Has held up for quite a while now, i will take pics this weekend. Really not too tough. __________________ 2003 E350 7.3L Diesel UJOR 4x4

09-20-2005, 09:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Munchies BAMF Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42606 Location: Gulf Coast bound! Posts: 2,161	Edit...Didnt read the whole thing.. Snap a few pics? Last edited by Munchies; 09-20-2005 at 10:07 PM.

09-18-2005, 09:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Munchies BAMF Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42606 Location: Gulf Coast bound! Posts: 2,161	Yes. It appears to be a BOP to IH adapter. One could theoretically run a BOP to chev adapter behind that, but I just found another adapter for a chevy engine to bolt to an IH tranny. That gives me the idea, cant one run the BOP-chev adapter and run the caddy infront of the chevy adapters that have been around for so long?

09-18-2005, 10:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Munchies BAMF Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42606 Location: Gulf Coast bound! Posts: 2,161	What has everyone done for engine mounts in a 472/500 scout setup?

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