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Old 05-25-2009, 05:39 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Thanks for your service, Im glad you made it back safe and sound. Forget about that old Dodge. Is the bronco leaf sprung in the front? Is the rear 35 spline? Lockers? The gears you want? If not yes to all those questions I would move along. It looks to me like it is becoming a lot more of a buyers market for front 60's these days, Id look at your local craigslist, here, and locally on ebay.
Well I am not sure about the splines. I think he said the gears were 4.56 which would be good for me, and the front is sitting on coils. But it seems all the mud racers in the area have sucked the dana 60s dry around here. Been slim pickins, ya know?
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So I finally got a little time to rebuld a 700r4 that I will mate up behind the 350. It was a 2wd version so I had to replace the ouput shaft with a shorter 4wd shaft. I used the B&M Transpak kit, which came with a shift as well.





The old ourput shaft (long) next to the new one (short).
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So I got the transmission rebuilt, not to mate it to the Dana 20. I will eventuntually put in a doubler (Dana 20/Dana 20) but will put that in a little later. I ordered a couple a bearing and collected a few scraps of steel I had laying around the shop. Then had the lazer guy cut out a few Texas shaped plates that I will use. I plan on machining the end of an old slip yoke down and welding on the peice of 4140 to the end, then turning it down and milling in the splines for the input gear. Depending on how it turns out, I may or may not make a one peice shaft at a later date.

The freshly rebuilt 700


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Torn down Dana 20... to take down some numbers and build the doubler...
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Why are you using dana 20s for your doubler setup?
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Why are you using dana 20s for your doubler setup?
x2,

you might consider using a 231 that would bolt up to your trans, at least for the range box.

Also, the dana 20 has a reasonably weak low range imho. Might think of some other transfer case.
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Why are you using dana 20s for your doubler setup?
I have one....

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x2,

you might consider using a 231 that would bolt up to your trans, at least for the range box.

Also, the dana 20 has a reasonably weak low range imho. Might think of some other transfer case.
Ehhh... It will be more than enough for me. (4:1)... This truck will see far more street than trail... Besides, if i wanted a vehicle I could just bolt everything together I'd have gotten a jeep....

Besides.... aren't ya'll tired of seeing the same old shit built over and over again?
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:54 PM   #57 (permalink)
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cool build man! It is nice to see something difrent once in a while
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Keep posting! I wanna see the 20/20 build!
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Why do a D20/D20 doubler,when you can just regear one to 3.15:1?I would do a D300 with a 4:1 kit.Stronger IMO.
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I think he's going for cheaper. Props to you. I want to see the 20/20 build. If you don't think you're likely to break a d20 then you'll probably be fine with two of them. Cheap reduction, I like it.
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I like the 20/20 idea. Gets him what he needs, and they're a dime a dozen. I've seen at least 5 get scrapped in the last 6 months because someone won't take it off their hands. $20 d20's versus $400 D300+$200 teraLow. Kind of a no brainer
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I like the 20/20 idea. Gets him what he needs, and they're a dime a dozen. I've seen at least 5 get scrapped in the last 6 months because someone won't take it off their hands. $20 d20's versus $400 D300+$200 teraLow. Kind of a no brainer
np231's and jeep d300's are in the same $20-50 price range as a d20 and wouldn't require trimming of the case being used as a range box. Would also give you more gear options.

Seems like you are going to be tight on front shaft clearance with a cut down d20 case due to the intermediate gear (the one I ripped half the teeth off of).
Unless of course you flip it over to the other side.
Hasn't somebody on here done a d20 doubler?

btw, I feel you on the satisfaction of making your own doubler that nobody really has done before

(http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...56+205+doubler)
I'd just pick a more useful combo if I was going through all the work.
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np231's and jeep d300's are in the same $20-50 price range as a d20 and

**Cough, Cough....*** Bullshit....***Cough, cough...****

Not for 95% of the populated parts of the U.S.

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**Cough, Cough....*** Bullshit....***Cough, cough...****

Not for 95% of the populated parts of the U.S.

X2 I think the U P has $.05 coffee and $.25 hamburgers...

Jeep D-300's on Pirate are $250 to $400 asking and the Oregon Craigslist are $200 and up when you find them.
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np231's and jeep d300's are in the same $20-50 price range as a d20 and wouldn't require trimming of the case being used as a range box. Would also give you more gear options.
Who said anything about cutting the second box???

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Seems like you are going to be tight on front shaft clearance with a cut down d20 case due to the intermediate gear (the one I ripped half the teeth off of).
Unless of course you flip it over to the other side.
Hasn't somebody on here done a d20 doubler?
Sure others have done it before... But I am doing one now....
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During my breaks yesterday I welded up the input shaft for the adapter. I started by tossing both the 4140 stock and what was left of the slip yoke in the oven at about 400 degrees. (In the previous pics you can see where I machined a bevel on the mating edges of the two pieces.) After let them warm up I laid down my first bead to fully penetrate. By the time I got all the way around the pieces started to cool (namely the hollow yoke had cooled to much cooler than the chunk of 4140). So I tossed it back into the oven and let it warm back up...Wash, rinse, repeat. After a couple of beads, them some spot treatment to build up the low spots, another quick trip to the oven with a slow cool down.... I have a one piece shaft.

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I made some good progress in the past couple of weeks. After I a trip to the draw oven, I turned down the input shaft to size and single pointed some threads on the end. Shortly after this picture was taken I parted off the extra length on the spline end of the shaft.


Then I had to get the profile for the output shaft on the doubler. So after sketching it up I wired out the profile onto a small piece to see how well it matched up. It turned out pretty good. I’ll use the profile to make a cutting tool for when I make the shaft.
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To make the main body I used a piece of 5” dia. 1045 left over from an older job. All of my larger drills have a taper shank, so I had to core the main body out on the manual lathe.


After drilling a 1 ½” hole through, I chucked it up in the CNC and let it rip.
First I turned down the input side.


Then flipped it around, finished the profile, and bored it out.
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Now it is time to put the drive gear splines on the input shaft. First step was to gut out the steps with a 3/16 end mill.




Then I finished out the sides with a ½” bull nose (leaving a small radius to the bottom of the tooth for strength.)

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Here are all of the finished parts ready for assembly. The main body has holes tapped on both sides to attach the 700r4 mounting plate and the Texas pattern mounting plate.



I put three mounting positions 12 degrees apart on the 700 side...



...and three positions 15 degrees apart on the Texas side (going in the opposite direction from the 700 side holes). This will allow me to clock the T’case @ 3 degree increments.

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Starting off with the empty body.



Then adding the shaft seal (standard rear seal for the 700r4).



Placed the bearings on the shaft

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Then dropped it into the hole and secured it with a snap ring.



I put a thin layer of RTV on the mating surface and bolted up the Texas pattern plate.




Then did the same with the 700 side.

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Add one spacer and a drive gear…. And its ready to bolt in.



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top notch work!
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:26 PM   #75 (permalink)
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