I'm gonna get flamed for this

[Blind Driver]

So I'm thinking of doing some tubing....piping..... on my junk.
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I'm thinking of using sch40 to pipe the engine compartment and the rear quarters

Main reasoning is cost, and this will be my first time at bending tube....err....pipe
There are a few questions.
1. What the difference in cost between 1.75 pipe and HREW tubing? I'm going to make some calls tomorrow, but the suppliers may be closed.
2. I'm guessing the best deal on a bender is going to be Harbor Freight? I'm stopping by a new store tomorrow.
3. Can sch40 be welded to HREW? Or will I have to bolt them together after I make my cage?

Any suggestions?

Flame on

[BLK Scout 800]

Originally Posted by Blind Driver

So I'm thinking of doing some tubing....piping..... on my junk.
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.
.
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I'm thinking of using sch40 to pipe the engine compartment and the rear quarters

Main reasoning is cost, and this will be my first time at bending tube....err....pipe
There are a few questions.
1. What the difference in cost between 1.75 pipe and HREW tubing? I'm going to make some calls tomorrow, but the suppliers may be closed. Not much
2. I'm guessing the best deal on a bender is going to be Harbor Freight? I'm stopping by a new store tomorrow. HF benders suck
3. Can sch40 be welded to HREW? Or will I have to bolt them together after I make my cage? Yes for sure

Any suggestions? Save 3x your money for DOM

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[reckless]

Originally Posted by Blind Driver

So I'm thinking of doing some tubing....piping..... on my junk.
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Any suggestions?

Flame on

Just get a D&C one...save yourself the time and hassle
http://www.dandcextreme.com/product_...D=52&subcat=55

[Blind Driver]

I'm not building a cage....yet

[binderbound]

If your just making sliders or bumpers or what ever, I think shced 40 is fine. BUT, only if you promise not to use it in your cage. X2 on the HF pipe kinker, JUNK.

Good luck

[Blind Driver]

Going to remove the fenders next week and tube that area first. Pic searching for the next few days to get ideas. I'm going to tie the sch40 to brackets that will mount into the firewall. Then the cage will mount to those same brackets. This way I can remove either section as need be.

Suggestion for a bender?

[Gen. Nonsense]

Originally Posted by Blind Driver

Going to remove the fenders next week and tube that area first.

Fucking copy-cat Have fun, and good luck pissing the neighbors off.

[larboc@hotmail.com]

I don't understand why you would use pipe, designed for carring fluids, rather than HREW tubing, designed for structures. It's almost the same price. Remeber the sizing nomenclature when you do your price shopping.

[TacomaJoe95]

There is nothing wrong with pipe. My entire cage is made of sch40 pipe. It holds up very well. Ive rolled so many time and it has never bent. It has a few dents but never bent or broke. I have a friend that built a entire tube buggy out of sch 40 pipe. That thing is freaking bad ass. So go ahead and build away. Just buy a desent bender. The HF kink-o-matic sucks ass.

[larboc@hotmail.com]

How much did your cage end up weighing? Size of pipe, etc.

What's your rig weigh?

[Bill usn-1]

Here we go again....

I would recommend a search over in the tool forum for HF bender.
There have been many cages and chassis built from pipe and using the HF style bender.

Obviously a nice bender would make the job much easier but it still comes down to economics.

If I only have to make 10 bends to complete my job, why would I pay $500-$1000 on a bender when I can do it with a $100 bender.

There are ways to use it without kinking pipe.
Yes you may screw a bend up and waste 10' and have to start over...oh well.

When I was buying pipe is was 1.5 ID, .134 wall, IIRC it was 1.9 OD.
Cost was right at $1/ft

So lets go back to strength....

If a guy is running around with just a hard top or a soft top or even no top as we have all seen here...
Wouldn't a complete pipe cage be better then what he has??

And if you going to start talking about the cage folding and cruching him or breaking on a roll....at least have some first hand knowledge and pics. Not so he said she said from your second cousin.... It could have beeen cage design and not the pipe that caused the problem.

and how many cages are built around the factory "roll bar"?

You have to look at how the vehicle is used.
Does the guy wheel at the mall?
Is his scout always setting on jack stands?

And if you want to start talking cost vs safety...again bring facts.
It's an easy out to just say "How much is your safety worth"?

And yes I do think this was BS question since it has been discussed to death in every forum on this and every other 4wd site.
A simple search with the button at the top would have prevented another useless thread!!!

EDIT

For the search deficient....
HF bender

I think for most people who say they don't work or kink tube or pipe..are those who have never used one or didn't know how.
It's not the best solution, but it will work!!

[Blind Driver]

I'll go make a new tread over at the BB just for you bill

Oh, and post up every "I want to build my cage outta pipe tread" for me too

[Bill usn-1]

You will need to explain your entire response to me.
Type really slow.

I thought I already answered all of your questions and did in fact provide a link to the bender with builds.

Ans I really don't under stand the flipoff.

guess that's why i don't use it.

[Blind Driver]

Originally Posted by Bill usn-1

You will need to explain your entire response to me.
Type really slow.

I thought I already answered all of your questions and did in fact provide a link to the bender with builds.

Ans I really don't under stand the flipoff.

guess that's why i don't use it.

I use small word for you. I type slow.

Link no work. No bender. No builds.

Flipoff easy. Even caveman know what it use for

[larboc@hotmail.com]

I've had good luck with my HF bender (actually northern tool) if I size the tube correctly. If you can't find the correct size die, find a piece of pipe with the id of the od of the pipe you are wanting to bend and the od of a die you have. Then bend it into a 90* elbow and then slice it down both sides to make a sleeve. It works quite well.

[Bill usn-1]

Originally Posted by Blind Driver

I use small word for you. I type slow.

Link no work. No bender. No builds.

Flipoff easy. Even caveman know what it use for

Well I guess something worked cause I notice you are now posting links to the PBB on the BB.

Must have figured out that search button.

[Binder]

Originally Posted by Blind Driver

2. I'm guessing the best deal on a bender is going to be Harbor Freight? I'm stopping by a new store tomorrow.
3. Can sch40 be welded to HREW? Or will I have to bolt them together after I make my cage?

Any suggestions?

The HF bender works fairly well on sch 40 but not as good on tube, can be made to work with limited success though.
Yes you can weld HREW to sch 40 which is typically also HREW assuming you have the required welding skills and equipment.
Cage design is the biggest factor in it's strength and safety. Also I would think about what my time is worth. If you go sch 40 and aren't happy with it it's your time and money to do it over. Also consider weight when compairing the tube to pipe.

[Snoopy]

Please don't use pipe. Please don't use the HF bender.

['71 800B]

I have the HF bender, works ok, but not great. Ive been using it for bumper and slider stuff. It does kink pretty easy. Ive used sheet metal to take up some of the space between the pipe and die which helps.
I tried packing the pipe with sand, didnt really help though. I will not use it to build a cage, I know many have rolled thier junk with pipe cages without damage but I wont take the chance. my wife and little girl are way to important to me so I will pay for a properly built cage from D&C.

[BLK Scout 800]

Originally Posted by larboc@hotmail.com

How much did your cage end up weighing? Size of pipe, etc.

What's your rig weigh?

Joe runs 1 3/4'' pipe and his rig weighs 5K IIRC. His taco is badass and I know his exo has held up fine.

[larboc@hotmail.com]

I think I have heard about it. He sort of built it from pipe out of spite for the boards, then drove it up a ramp and purposely flopped it and it held up fine. Or is that someone else?

[BLK Scout 800]

I don't think so

[IHblarp]

I use a hf bender for small stuff like bumpers/sliders and presently seat mounts. it works pretty well, for what it is, but its hard to get bends without the pipe crushing a bit. For body protection and the such i see no prob w/pipe and HF benders.

[reuben]

my personal oppinion is that pipe is fine to use, if you design and weld it correctly. my last scuggy was built from pipe and it handled rolls just fine. I flopped it hard enough to split the seams on my hodd and rearrange my front sheet metal off to the drivers side about 4", yet the cage suffered no damage. it all boils down to the design.

[TacomaJoe95]

Originally Posted by larboc@hotmail.com

I think I have heard about it. He sort of built it from pipe out of spite for the boards, then drove it up a ramp and purposely flopped it and it held up fine. Or is that someone else?

No that wasnt me that was a guy on here called Chass. Here is a link if you want to check out his shit http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...nkler+pipe+exo

I have floped my shit so many times. It holds up great.