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Old 02-21-2009, 08:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Guido's 1965 Scout 80 + 7.3L PSD

Alright fawkers I've had my Scout since July 2006, it started off as a simple frame on restification to get it driving, then the project creep began, fixed a bunch of rust, swapped axles, power steering, disc brakes, etc. Nuthin' really Pirate worthy.

I've only driven it three times, once into the garage, once onto the trailer and once off the trailer. Although, that's 3 more times than Brandon's driven his looks like he's on the home stretch now though.

For me, it's rare to have the holy trinity (time, money, and motivation), but with a nice tax refund from Uncle Sugar the planets aligned and I stumbled across a wrecked 4x4 1996 F250 7.3L International PSD, ZF 5 speed

If the guys at Petersen's 4WOR can stuff a Cummins 6BT into a Jeep I can get a 7.3 PSD in my Scout with some slight firewall mods


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7.3/ZF 5 speed/203/205 10b/14FF yeah, yeah 10bolt sucks but it's what I got for now.

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Here's when I brought the Scout home
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Fixed some rust
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Welded up the spiders in the Gov-bomb and shaved the lip off the 14B.

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Chevy 52's up front and a bastard spring pack Ranger and Bronco II in the rear.

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i have no help to offer. but post a lot of pics!!
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Swapped in a steering column from late 80's Chevy, and power steering box from '95 Chevy with Ballistic Fab hi-steer arms (wagoneer knuckles milled by Jnutter), drop pitman arm for late 70's wagoneer.


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And donned my blue nitrile gloves and swapped in a master cylinder from a 4 wheel disc brake '79 grand marquis (thanks HoS)
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Rear bumper 90% complete, I'm waiting to finish once I decide how much to cut the rear quarters.

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love build up threads..

That is going to be one heavy scout..
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That is going to be one heavy scout..
Um, I think his weight to hp or torque will still be ok...

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X2. This is the dream for my 800.
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You did a great job of shoehorning that powerstroke in there, to borrow a tired cliche it looks like a factory installation Is that steering box going to be able to stay inside the frame rail?
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Awesome Guido...I'm really looking forward to this one!

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wow can't wait for more pics, what a great motor choice. Guido do you know the weight of the 7.3 ?
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That is going to be one heavy scout..
Well, I figure the 7.3L is around 900-1,000 lbs only ~200lbs more than a IH 345

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You did a great job of shoehorning that powerstroke in there, to borrow a tired cliche it looks like a factory installation Is that steering box going to be able to stay inside the frame rail?
Yeah doesn't it? All those other guys are complete hacks

My preliminary measurements the stock radiator is ~30"wx27"h which ain't gonna fit without serious modification, even without the steering box in the way. I plan on keepin the steering box on the inside of the frame and getting a 3 row aluminum radiator to keep keep things cool.

I'll start tearing down the F250, complete wiring harness, including the stock instrument cluster, AC/heating, and I even got a pimp Alpine AM/FM/CD player
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Guido, Will you stick with the stock vacuum pump, or go with hydro assist? yes I did see the master cylinder in , just wondering if you would redo it. that has been a week point in the ford of that era for the ones I have worked on.
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Not to throw too much cold water on things, but what kind of wheeling are you going to do with it, or what are you going to use it for? Will all that torque even be useable in a short, narrow, lighter rig? When wheeling with other brands of rigs I always thought my rigs biggest weakness was the extra weight I had on the frontend from a SV. In anything soft I sank like a rock when everyone else floated through. Your going a few hundred pounds heavier than a SV, plus a winch, plus eventually a 60. Unless you add a shitload of tube your frame will look like a pretzel. Cooling it will be a nightmare, as will be fitting anything and everything in the engine bay. I would look at dropping the scout body on the shortened ford frame if you have to have that engine. Everyone wants that diesel torque in a wheeler, but I just don't see it as practical or adventageous
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Not this is looking like a proper build thread. (apposed to the onslaught of Newb posts we've been getting because of the BB demise).

I'm digging the fab work...... The PS box bracket is nice.
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Not to throw too much cold water on things, but what kind of wheeling are you going to do with it, or what are you going to use it for? Will all that torque even be useable in a short, narrow, lighter rig? When wheeling with other brands of rigs I always thought my rigs biggest weakness was the extra weight I had on the frontend from a SV. In anything soft I sank like a rock when everyone else floated through. Your going a few hundred pounds heavier than a SV, plus a winch, plus eventually a 60. Unless you add a shitload of tube your frame will look like a pretzel. Cooling it will be a nightmare, as will be fitting anything and everything in the engine bay. I would look at dropping the scout body on the shortened ford frame if you have to have that engine. Everyone wants that diesel torque in a wheeler, but I just don't see it as practical or adventageous
If we were all practical, what would be the need for pirate 4x4? At least he is not going with a Detroit,353 or 471. keeping it in the family so to speak
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What front axle came in the '96 F250? Would it be a better choice than the 10b?
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Not to throw too much cold water on things, but what kind of wheeling are you going to do with it, or what are you going to use it for? Will all that torque even be useable in a short, narrow, lighter rig? When wheeling with other brands of rigs I always thought my rigs biggest weakness was the extra weight I had on the frontend from a SV. In anything soft I sank like a rock when everyone else floated through. Your going a few hundred pounds heavier than a SV, plus a winch, plus eventually a 60. Unless you add a shitload of tube your frame will look like a pretzel. Cooling it will be a nightmare, as will be fitting anything and everything in the engine bay. I would look at dropping the scout body on the shortened ford frame if you have to have that engine. Everyone wants that diesel torque in a wheeler, but I just don't see it as practical or adventageous
You wheeled??? Was Hector still a pup?
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Guido, looking forward to this build

FWIW on the BB, or BP now, there's a guy (IH64Scout) that's swapping the 7.3 into a Scout2. May be helpful to check out.
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He had a lot more hair and a lot less aches and pains
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Duly noted ChiScouter. If I wanted practical I'd drive a Yaris, or maybe swap a Chevy 350 like everybody else and go cruisin' for chicks the at mall.

I guess I should probably swap those D27s back in, too.

Practical? Yes. Advantageous? Yes. 7.3L w/5 speed > 152 w/3 speed

Stuffing an INTERNATIONAL 7.3L turbodiesel in a baby Scout?

Priceless

Will it be a challenge? You bet.

Mechanos- Yeah pinion angle sucks too, I got some caster shims to correct it, they aren't installed in that pic. I had to get it out of the garage and on the trailer to move. There will be a D60 under there one day, just not today.

Budget76- Yeah, I've read IH64Scout and Fastcoasty's 7.3L swaps.

Thanks Mike and War Pony I'm gonna stick with what I got on the brakes, 4 wheel disc brakes with good pedal ratio. If I feel like I need power brakes later, I'll swap in some hydroboost. I won't have room for the vacuum booster anyway.

The TTB front and F250 frame are bent up pretty good, (hence the odd caster and tire wear, the PO drove it for awhile after he wrecked it) so even if I wanted to use them, which I don't, not an option.

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About 800 8mm&10mm bolts later, I pulled the core support and radiator out

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That fan looks like they stole it off a B-17 It's about 23" diameter, depsite the apparent enormous size of the 7.3L it's only about 28" tall from the front oil pan sump to the top, and 31" at the widest (power steering pump)

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A little test fit of the radiator...fits like a glove. No problemo

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A little test fit of the radiator...fits like a glove. No problemo
Gawd that's HUGE
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7.3l

I am in the same boat as you, I am putting a 95 7.3l in a Scout 2. I went the long way, I should have started with a donor truck that would have made my life a lot easier but instead I have been piecing it together.

I have the motor, the 5 speed, full wiring harness and gas pedal. I have about 6 more months of gathering parts before I stab the motor in.

Looks good I have seen a 7.3 in a Early Bronco a few moths ago in my friends Bronco Driver Mag. it looked cool and fit. I would like to know what radiator they used in it.

Do you think that an Aluminum after market radiator about the size of a stock radiator will work?
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That's the plan, I'm pulling everything from the F250, wiring harness, intsrument panel, A/C. Stock scout size 80? no. Scout II rad? maybe. I'm planning on a Griffin HP series 27x19 2 3/4" thick cools 600hp and the info says they out-cool a 4 row copper/brass rad, most 2 core aluminum rads are 2 1/4" thick.

Most of the stock rad in the F250 is blocked by the bumper, only about half of it is actually getting air through the grille.
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