Brake Q's

[Old Fart]

Looking for some information and a bit of advice.

The situation: I have a FSJ front Dana 44 that I'm swapping into the YJ. The knuckles are Scout (8 bolt). I have the knuckles, spindles, stub shafts, caliper mounting plates and the "I-H" (Warn OEM) external spline 6 bolt hubs.

From what I can tell, that leaves brake rotors (which have the wheel studs on them), calipers, plus bearings and seals.

From what I've been told, the rotors are the same as 78 CJ-7. Is there a difference, either part or availability? From this board I've learned that No Excuses has the Scout rotors for $40 each.

Using the Scout spindles, are the bearings and seals typical to the CJ-7 rotor, or unique to the Scout?

Who recommends what for calipers?

I've seen the posts on converting over to Chevy/Ford stuff, which would give me internal hubs, etc - but for now I think I'll go the other route. Warn 9062's are pretty common, and I like the 27 spline outers.

[jdjanda]

I've heard conflicting info on using CJ7 rotors, mostly that they too thin to use with the heavy Scouts and warp. For rotors use this source

No Excuses
(800)923-5337
$39.00 Scout II rotors
Ask for Jack Fannimoore

Buy a set and compare them to the CJ rotors, let us know, I've also heard the Scout calipers are the same used on some Fords. Good luck and post some pics of the swap

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

[Old Fart]

Thank's - pretty much what I'd planned (even if the CJ rotors were the same - $39 is pretty good on the price)

So - anyone else want to chime in on the calipers/bearings questions?

[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: Old Fart ]

[Old Fart]

BTT <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

[ScoutII]

I still don't understand what you're talking when you say 'knuckles' but if you get a scout dana 30 front end they use 6 bolts. this might help.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Old Fart:
<STRONG>Looking for some information and a bit of advice.

The knuckles are Scout (8 bolt). I have the knuckles, spindles, stub shafts, caliper mounting plates and the "I-H" (Warn OEM) external spline 6 bolt hubs.
From what I've been told, the rotors are the same as 78 CJ-7. Is there a difference, either part or availability? From this board I've learned that No Excuses has the Scout rotors for $40 each.

Using the Scout spindles, are the bearings and seals typical to the CJ-7 rotor, or unique to the Scout?
</STRONG>

No idea if the CJ7 and IH parts are the same - I've never owned a Jeep (well, there was that All-steel Wagon..)..

but it seems like if you're running Scout spindles, Scout hubs, and Scout rotors.. you should buy Scout bearings and seals.

Problem solved. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

A lot easier than trying to decide which bearings n' seals to use when you have F150 hubs/rotors on a Chevy K1500 axle.. (answer: whatever happens to be in the F150 hubs so you don't have to mess with seals n' such.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> )

-Tom

[Old Fart]

Well, that settles the bearings and seals issues - thanks!

I'll search the parts online companies, see if I can cross reference the calipers to something a bit more "common" (you wouldn't believe the look you get at the local parts house when you ask for I-H stuff), then start assembly of this monster.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Old Fart:
<STRONG>Well, that settles the bearings and seals issues - thanks!

I'll search the parts online companies, see if I can cross reference the calipers to something a bit more "common" (you wouldn't believe the look you get at the local parts house when you ask for I-H stuff), then start assembly of this monster.</STRONG>

Oh, I believe the look! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Fortunately, I have my counter guys trained.

They look at me a little more odd now when I walk in to buy a Ford or Chevy part for my Scout - or for a Ford or Chevy.

As to the calipers.. IIRC, F150 calipers are a good match, but use a far more common 3/8" banjo fitting on the caliper instead of the seemingly Scout-only 7/16" banjo fitting.

There are some internal differences (different piston sizes/displacement) but I know a few Scouters running the smaller-displacement F150 calipers with no problems. Extended brake lines are a lot easier to find that way, too.

Compare your Bronco calipers with the Scout brackets and see.. if not, maybe an older F150.. say 78-79 era..

-Tom

[ 09-07-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

[Old Fart]

Thank's Tom, I think you've provided the last "puzzle piece"

I've gotten used to the strange looks. SB 350 in my FJ-40 (of course, half the parts people at TOYOTA didn't believe the FJ was "one of theirs"

And after buying all the brass plumbing hardware for my OBA, the old guy in plumbing at Home Depot actually followed me out to the Jeep to look under the hood. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I'll prolly call No Excuses on Monday, order all the rotor/bearing/seal stuff.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Old Fart:
<STRONG>
And after buying all the brass plumbing hardware for my OBA, the old guy in plumbing at Home Depot actually followed me out to the Jeep to look under the hood. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
</STRONG>

My counter guys now ask what I've broken and how was the racing/wheeling when I walk in. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> They're building competition 4x4s and trail rigs and trying to get 'em put together so they can come play, too.

One of my biggest cheering sections at some of the races are made up of Champion Auto counter guys. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

OBA is a wonderful thing. I've pulled up (on vacation) to those cheesy $.25 air pump things (thinking, like at home, there might be FREE AIR that's just a little easier to use).. look at it in disdain, then pull out my air-chuck and flip the switch.

I'm always getting "looks" for one thing or the other..

Reminds me that I haven't taken any pictures of my Ugliest Truck plaque yet.. hmm..

[Old Fart]

Funny OBA story...

Last month I stop to help a lady on the side of the road with a flat tire. She's standing there with a her jack in one hand and a (dead) cell phone in the other. Offered to change her tire (she just wanted me to call AAA for her).

Got her car way up on the jack, along comes the Sheriff (young kid)

Informs me (condecending tone) "Sir, you need to loosen those lug nuts before you pick the vehicle up" "Can I help you?"

I said "Sure son - hand me that impact gun"

43 - I love being called sir!

[Old Fart]

Ok, I'm back...

Found a few more pieces to my puzzle. The bearings and seals for the front D44 in the Scout are the same as the D30 from the 86 CJ-7, so I can source them almost anywhere (even Quadratech if I get desperate, but I did the match up at Autozone).

Last item is brakes. Looked at Tom Mandera's site: http://www.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/faq/brakelines.htm

Has anyone here done the F250 calipers:

Tel-Tek / Western Auto Part numbers for a '72-79 F250 4x4 front:
Right Front - 18-4033
Left Front - 18-4034

1981 Ford F250 4x4
Right Front - 18-4148
Left Front - 18-4149

[ledjer]

YES YES YES

1977 and 1978 CJ front disk brakes are exactly the same as Scout II's.

The No Excuses rotors are minus the hubs and studs for $40. I picked up new hubs, rotors and stucks for $89 assembled from Rosser Jeep. It will cost you at least $100 to have the rotors and studs pressed and then to have the rotors turned square. Save your self the money are just order them from Rosser.

[Old Fart]

Damn - I looked at the posting date of the previous - I guess it HAS been that long.

Bit of an update. I've got it down to needing hubs, rotors and calipers. POA is to get a set of 65-81 CJ hubs (6 bolt), 77-78 CJ rotors (the 1-1/8" version), and F-150/F-250 calipers (will assemble the knuckle out, then go to AutoZone and source the calipers)