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Old 10-31-2001, 04:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 77 scout with a 14 bolt rear and soon a 10 bolt front. I am wondering if anybody has done this and how. To if there were any serious draw backs. Have my own idea just want to compare.
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Old 10-31-2001, 04:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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<STRONG>I have a 77 scout with a 14 bolt rear and soon a 10 bolt front. I am wondering if anybody has done this and how. To if there were any serious draw backs. Have my own idea just want to compare.
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Done what? A buggy spring or a 10-bolt? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

I thought about a buggy spring (w/ a Reverse Shackle) a long time back.. but I've seen the errors of my ways.

One of my original concerns was "What happens when I back up?".. turns out, that's what most people have a problem with. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Tire drops into hole, buggy spring bends down.. you try to back up.. buggy spring brakes.. you curse, your friends groan and suddenly have to be home shortly to keep the wife happy.. and your weekend's ruined.

OTOH, if you want to impressive your friends with your ramp score..

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[QB]Tire drops into hole, buggy spring bends down.. you try to back up.. buggy spring brakes.. QB]
Tom,

some of the locals here have a better idea, a solid bar and 2 bits of tubing for ends. fits right in place, then they pin the bar to the frame.

helps with on road manners, at least.

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Old 10-31-2001, 09:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have had buggies on the rear of my Terra for 2 years have never had any problems with them off road or on. I haven't expierenced any weird on road manners and i drive the truck atleast twice and week to school 70 miles round trip. I had them on the front with a reverse shackle but didn't like the on road manners with the front ones. The weight of the 14 bolt will really help pull the buggies down.
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Old 11-01-2001, 07:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I ran buggies with my front RS for about a year before pitching them. They made the frontend feel loose, even when driving slow off-road. I had a u-bolt setup to secure them to the frame on road, but even off-road they felt funny. I found that I prefered leaving the buggies tied up all the time, so I finally just fabbed a rear shackle mount under the frame and pitched them.

I also had problems with the buggies occasionally inverting when off-road. On compression, the shackle would sometimes press back against the frame rail and then push the buggy down, thus binding the buggy and shackle together. It's a phenomena I have also witnessed on Heeps with RS and buggies.

My opinion -> a couple inches of extra droop isn't worth the extra headaches and handeling quirks (on AND off road).
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Old 11-01-2001, 10:12 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but will the buggy make the axle un-load at full drop? At full drop the axle has pulled the buggy spring (single leaf) away from frame, and the tire would then have very little contact pressure on any surface. Granted with a locker this is less of an issue, but may lead to more breaks as the 'loaded' tire is doing all the work. Am I way off base here?

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Old 11-01-2001, 01:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Any tire making contact to the ground is better than one in the air. As for handling, any mod will affect the on road feeling. I get about 4" of extra droop with the springs. The solid bars are nice, but they do not allow for any twisting? So does the main spring pack half to make up for the extra flex? I have old worn out(if any) rubber bushing, this allows for even less twisting of both springs. I also gave myself a little lift by re-drilling the front spring eye bolt 1" lower. I also have longer shackles, this puts more stress on the rears front hanger, re-enforce this hanger! For about $30, it was one of the cheaper mods.
I guess I shouldn't haul trailers with 130 bales of hay with my scout.
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Old 11-01-2001, 10:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
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half or has <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
I guess the buggy springs don't help when on a Jeep trail <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">
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