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Old 04-16-2017, 06:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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GW Buggy Build V2.4

The time has come to get this up!

Ill start with a bunch of bullshit probably no one will read and then Ill get to the pics!

Lets begin!!!

This build is fueled by Monster, Jack Daniels, Not Your Fathers Root Beer, Spitz Dill Pickle Sunflower Seeds, Titty Sprinkles, and bacon.

The build lives by two quotes:

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is essentially your own" - Bruce Lee

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"Ahhh!!, what the fuck was that!?!?!" - Devin Townsend from Strapping Young Ladd

The build is HEAVILY inspired by 10-12 different Pirate builds. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out which ones if you've been around here a while.



So this is what I had..... If you are interested in the buildup on it, you can find it here. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...ld-v1-7-a.html






And THEN...... I did this!




So everyone wants to know, "Why?". Well, to make it simple, it sucked.

Now lets back up.... Was is the coolest thing Ive ever wheeled? Absolutely. Did it perform better than anything Ive ever wheeled. Definitely. Did it preform to my expectations? Nope.

Problem was, I had this shit idea glued in my brain that there was no way you could possibly reinforce an XJ too much. The ideology fucked me. I literally cringe when I see new builds doing the same things I did on my first build. Weight to power ratio is everything. And if you're intent, like I was (but not so much now) on keeping that 200hp 4.0l, then 5,000lbs is too much. I clocked in well over that and with me and a passenger we may have been approaching 6.

So that's why I cut this heavy turd up. My suspension actually worked quite well, however, I just didn't have the power to get the job done. So after a few bad experiences, then a major flood that decimated our wheeling terrain and closed trails, I honestly just kinda.....lost interest.

Then a few events this past year and inspiration was refound!
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"The Woods Run" here in Northern Colorado, really got that itch going for me.

Justin Denard literraly walked all over everyone in his XJ Buggy. To say hes a huge part of my new itch would be an accurate statement.

Alright, so first I had to do away with the stoopid. I.E Cut everything off.

BTW, pictures a being captured via moldy French fry, and depending on how much welding smoke, grinding dust, or ketchup is on the lense, dictates the quality of the pic. Deal with it.







Dash had to go too!




Soo, the Devin Townsend quote is related to all of the almost unbelievably stoopid weight I had littered all over this thing. When I started cutting it apart I litteraly came across things that made me say "What the fuck is that!?!" Just ridiculous over kill material choices.

So doest seem I have a great shot of the total removal, but everything outside the frame rails was removed. Then eventually about 5 feet of the rear frame was removed. And still some more to be cut off.
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Since I had it down to bare bones, I wanted to get a jump on a few things that would be easy to do with nothing in the way.

That included stripping out all the unnecessary wiring. No pic, but Id guess 25+ lbs of wires where removed. Then, in anticipation of what was then a toss up between ORI's or Coilovers, I knew at the very least, both axles need to move forward, and combined with even a more narrow dove nose now, I also needed to relocate a few things in the engine compartment.

I started with the instrument cluster. Tons of rigs run them in the center, even car companies put them there. I like the look, I went that direction.



I also will be using the factory cluster. Why not? Its light, it works, has several of the gauges I would be buying anyways, already wired and its easy to work with.

Then just framed in the rest of the dash.

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Then it was time for some TUBE!!!!!!

I started with the boatsides. Also, for those who might notice.... The frame plating IS rosette welded in several areas. But we all know welding to that stamped sheet metal can be a bitch, so I just used the slugs from the hole saw and filled them back in after welding. Then ground them smooth. I did that because 3 of the "runners" for the boat sides would have landed in a hole. Frame plating is 3/16", wrapped all the way around.
The top was then capped with 13 guage (.090) X 1 X1 angle.





And then tube just started falling into place....



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And this is where I am as of a few weeks ago. There is more done, but not anything worth posting just yet.

Before anyone gets into the questions of "whats with this and that"....

Everything you see BESIDES the chassis should be ignored. I am only keeping these thing in place to keep this a starting, steering, movable runner as I build it.

Ignore the coils.
Ignore the factory gas tank.
All suspension geometry will change. So ignore the links and positions.
Ignore the steering wheel. Potentially ignore the floorboard even. Other that the chassis it self, most of this will be at least moderately altered or changed completely.

Ill cover all of that as I go.

Happy Easter!
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Dang man it looked great as is. Better than my build will look.
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Dang man it looked great as is. Better than my build will look.
Thanks, but looking good and doing good are two entirely different animals. I had the look, but not the performance to match.
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I like the lines of the rear part of the chassis keep it up
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Pretty cool to see this evolve (again)

Interested to see the finished product. Hopefully a little faster than the last build

Looks great so far
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Didn't anybody ever tell you that weight was a sign of quality? Shite, it took you like 10 years to build that thing and then you cut it up in a weekend?

I like the lines on the tube work, looking forward to updates.
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I like the lines of the rear part of the chassis keep it up
Thanks! I too am quite happy with the line and flow of the chassis.

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Pretty cool to see this evolve (again)

Interested to see the finished product. Hopefully a little faster than the last build

Looks great so far
Much appreciated! Should be significantly faster than the previous build. I cut it up January 28th, and Im cruising right along. Hope to have a wheeling rig but late July Early August. 10 week lead time on ORI's kinda stings.

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Didn't anybody ever tell you that weight was a sign of quality? Shite, it took you like 10 years to build that thing and then you cut it up in a weekend?

I like the lines on the tube work, looking forward to updates.
Actually I had I cut up in about a day, but yea. Appreciate the comments.


Should have a small update on some stuff this evening.
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Being a machinist for a living has its perks!

Just whipped these out.... Ill go ahead and let everyone ponder what they are for..... Should have them done by the evening tho.

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Man, I have no idea what those pieces are for. Haha

Love the new direction of the build. It is a much cleaner platform to work with when you start eliminating unibody.
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Man, I have no idea what those pieces are for. Haha

Love the new direction of the build. It is a much cleaner platform to work with when you start eliminating unibody.
You'll see in just a sec...

Appreciate the comments. Yes, its definitely easier to work with when there's.....NOTHING in the way
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So these pieces.....



Became these....

Rear Bumper.





And,

Rock Slider Bumpers....








The Chassis is 1.75 X .125 wall, HREW Tube. Plenty strong enough material for the Chassis itself, but not very impact/dent resistant. Rather then deal with a dented up bunch of bullshit to repair, I figured Id tackle it right out of the gate. This also with serve as the "steps" to place your foot and get in on, and a Hi-Lift jack point as well. I thought they came out tits.

EDIT: Material is : 1 X 2, 3/16 wall Rectangular Tubing. It was drilled with 1/2 holes on 2" center, with a 45* chamfer. Then milled in half to make (4) 1x1, 3/16 C channel (I Guess) pieces. Couple miter cuts, then capped with 1/8 plate with a couple 3/8 counter bores milled in for detail.
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is it just me or have you started like 43 threads on this beast?
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is it just me or have you started like 43 threads on this beast?
Its just you. There are only 2 build threads. Other threads are just questions.
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Its just you. There are only 2 build threads. Other threads are just questions.
i was all jacked up on cold medicine yesterday.

looking good so far. I wish i could sell the wife on letting me cut the back half off, but she likes her crerature comforts
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"The Woods Run" here in Northern Colorado, really got that itch going for me.

Justin Denard literraly walked all over everyone in his XJ Buggy. To say hes a huge part of my new itch would be an accurate statement.
My apologies, you can't blame me if it doesn't work

Looking good! Seeing as I just put mine on it's side/lid, I can attest to the dentability of HREW
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isnt the 1/8" decorative strap extra weight......just what you were trying to avoid?
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i was all jacked up on cold medicine yesterday.

looking good so far. I wish i could sell the wife on letting me cut the back half off, but she likes her crerature comforts
No worries. Thanks!

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My apologies, you can't blame me if it doesn't work

Looking good! Seeing as I just put mine on it's side/lid, I can attest to the dentability of HREW
O shit! Really?! No blame will be directed your way.

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isnt the 1/8" decorative strap extra weight......just what you were trying to avoid?
No. If you look near the bottom of the B-Pillar, the "slider" is set at an angle. At that point, its about 1 3/4 from the tube. So without the cap, I would have had a 3/4" gap. From a weight stand point, both cap pieces might weigh 2 pounds so no concern there.

This thread shows exactly what I want to avoid.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...ker-guard.html
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