4 link coil sprung XJ - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 03:51 AM

What I'm thinking is since the TJ dana 44 and the XJ rearend are the same width why not use the more common TJ 44? Sure I could just cut off the coil buckets and the control arm mounts. But why do that when I could just use those mounts and make a custom long arm 4 link. This would use coil springs. So the question is what is the spring rate of the 6" skyjacker XJ front coils? Since I would like the front and rear to be as balanced as possable would the rear spring rate need to be lower since they dont support the weight of the engine and tranny? I just thought of this and its 5am so I havent really thought it through. This is just a mild rig so I'm not looking at 60's that will be on my next rig. So am I <IMG SRC="smilies/rasta.gif" border="0"> ?

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

[ 10-22-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

Jim M · 10-17-2001, 05:22 AM

You're gonna find that TJ 44's are really expensive. A typical axle will run you around $800 - $1000. Just a plain housing is $750 from a dealer. Think about an axle from a Waggy or a Scout if you want a 44. If you want a bigger axle, why not an 8.8? You can get one of those for around $400 off an Exploder.

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim M:
You're gonna find that TJ 44's are really expensive. A typical axle will run you around $800 - $1000. Just a plain housing is $750 from a dealer.

I know a pick and pull in CO where all rearend assemblies are $52.95 and housings are $22.95, This is for any make and model. I'm now planing on doing this too soon so I have time to find a rearend.

Jim M · 10-17-2001, 06:14 AM

If that is true and they have TJ 44's, get ALL of them. Get every one they ever get in. Ship them to me at my cost and I will sell them and pay you 1/2 the profits.

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by Jim M:
If that is true and they have TJ 44's, get ALL of them. Get every one they ever get in. Ship them to me at my cost and I will sell them and pay you 1/2 the profits.

They get in 200 cars a week. Sorry I'm from the right cost I would prob. have others higher on the list than you. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

Jim M · 10-17-2001, 06:19 AM

Well, I had to try...

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by Jim M:
Well, I had to try...

Ya never know unless you do <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Hot Money · 10-17-2001, 06:45 AM

8.8....... git er done <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

ralstonm · 10-17-2001, 07:06 AM

Yo Eddie,

Where is that pick n pull in CO?

I'm up in Longmont

oldjeep · 10-17-2001, 07:30 AM

XJ D44's seem to be plenty common here in MN. Guys in my club found 3 at the pick and pull in the last few weeks. On the other hand, the TJ D44's are pretty rare, and expensive.

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Matt R.:
Yo Eddie,

Where is that pick n pull in CO?

I'm up in Longmont

PM'd ya. ttt

cmk · 10-17-2001, 12:46 PM

According to the quality sources at JP ragazine, late model 44's, such as those found in TJ's use a thinner axle tube as compared to earlier 44's. Unless you really want to use all of the TJ bracketry, it may be worth your while to hunt for an older/stronger 44 or something else altogether.

cm "keep a mindful eye and you may see a TJ 44 fall off a truck" k

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 12:58 PM

I have been thinking about this. The main problem is width and lug pattern. Since I think I'm going to have the rig regestured in PA I cant be sticking out past the fender flairs. So I dont want to go any narrower than 60" but wider is pritty much out of the question too. This might change since I'm going to be in Colorado for a while and I like the law's better here. I think i'm going to be keeping the D30 and trussing it. This will give me a 5 on 5.5 (warn hub kit) and I would like to keep that. I could always make a housing to fit 60" D44 axle shafts.

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 01:46 PM

Well I just looked at a TJ and i dont like the linkage design. I want to make a "double V" 4 link not unlike desertoy has on his buggie. So I guess I could use any dana 44 But I'm going to try to find one from a MJ or a XJ to keep the fab work down. Looks like I was <IMG SRC="smilies/rasta.gif" border="0"> at 5 am. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

MKBruin · 10-17-2001, 03:53 PM

hey, I know of pull-n-save on peoria and 225/I-70, but their prices are $67 per axle...which one do you go to?

Mcstiff · 10-17-2001, 04:58 PM

The one in aurora Pull & Save

Fat Knobby Tire · 10-17-2001, 06:30 PM

or junk yards south of you near the mexican border are dirt cheap too.

YJScott · 10-17-2001, 11:54 PM

Yo Big Eddie,
That one that Mike said is the same one you're talking about, and axles are 67 after core charge. You missed out this weekend though, because everything was half off, and they had free hot dogs on Sunday. Can't beat a $35 axle.
~Scott

Mcstiff · 10-18-2001, 03:32 AM

Yeah, so if you give them your axle then you get the 10 spot back <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> . I wish I had known about the half price weekend, I need a new t-case. Dammit.

borton · 10-18-2001, 07:24 AM

if you want the bad caracteristics of coils all the way arround, go get you a grand, then you could also have a v-8. otherwise don't mess with shit you don't understand.

stadlerm · 10-18-2001, 12:32 PM

yah might as well wait till you can take two axles out of one truck so the gear ratios and bolt pattern are the same. Ditch the 30.
mike

Mcstiff · 10-18-2001, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brent (aka)borton:
if you want the bad caracteristics of coils all the way arround, go get you a grand, then you could also have a v-8. otherwise don't mess with shit you don't understand.

Borton, I could also get those bad characteristics if I bought a TJ. Right? Can you enlighten me about the bad characteristics? What exactly dont I understand? Coils seem to be less complated than a 1/4 elip.

Mcstiff · 10-18-2001, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stadlerm:
yah might as well wait till you can take two axles out of one truck so the gear ratios and bolt pattern are the same. Ditch the 30.
mike

The main thing I'm concerned about is width. I cant go much wider than 60" and I dont want to be any narrower. If I decide to regesture it in Co and pay higher insurance, then it might be an option. even then I wouldent want to be too wide, so I could fit on all the trails I want to go on.

borton · 10-18-2001, 01:18 PM

yes you do get the same problems with a tj but in cases worse because of the short wheel base. but what I'm talking about is the bouncy bounce on steep inclines, the body roll on of camber stuff, the affects of these can be lessened by good shocks and sway bars, but by the time you did that you just as well kept the leaf springs and the money in your pocket book. and go learn to drive what you got, I've seen a snyper fall on its face cause the driver didn't know how to drive it in a competition, when a 4 popper YJ won the whole event (UROC finals) then the driver and spotter switched places and won the last ARCA finals.

Mcstiff · 10-18-2001, 01:31 PM

I know pritty well how to drive what I got. I have also had trouble with sidehilling/offcamber stuff with my current set up. I believe this is because the rear springs are MUCH stiffer than the front coils. Could I just get some longer softer leaf's, yeah. But why when I could have somthing that works as well but can flex more since the droop side just drops without resistance. <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

10-17-2001, 03:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mcstiff Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3413 Location: Denver, Co USA Posts: 1,323	4 link coil sprung XJ What I'm thinking is since the TJ dana 44 and the XJ rearend are the same width why not use the more common TJ 44? Sure I could just cut off the coil buckets and the control arm mounts. But why do that when I could just use those mounts and make a custom long arm 4 link. This would use coil springs. So the question is what is the spring rate of the 6" skyjacker XJ front coils? Since I would like the front and rear to be as balanced as possable would the rear spring rate need to be lower since they dont support the weight of the engine and tranny? I just thought of this and its 5am so I havent really thought it through. This is just a mild rig so I'm not looking at 60's that will be on my next rig. So am I <IMG SRC="smilies/rasta.gif" border="0"> ? [ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ] [ 10-22-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ] __________________ cuando empezemos, no me di yo cuenta, de que luego tuviera que pagar pero, si se cambie, me muera a acostarme con ti, con ti

10-17-2001, 07:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
ralstonm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7356 Location: Golden, Colorado Posts: 26	Yo Eddie, Where is that pick n pull in CO? I'm up in Longmont __________________ work is for suckers

10-17-2001, 07:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
oldjeep Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3511 Location: MN Posts: 5,387	XJ D44's seem to be plenty common here in MN. Guys in my club found 3 at the pick and pull in the last few weeks. On the other hand, the TJ D44's are pretty rare, and expensive. __________________ Chuck P The clowns'? Oh, yeah, the clowns. We fight them too — entire armies, spilling out of Volkswagons. We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending 'em in! www.oldjeep.com

10-17-2001, 12:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mcstiff Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3413 Location: Denver, Co USA Posts: 1,323	I have been thinking about this. The main problem is width and lug pattern. Since I think I'm going to have the rig regestured in PA I cant be sticking out past the fender flairs. So I dont want to go any narrower than 60" but wider is pritty much out of the question too. This might change since I'm going to be in Colorado for a while and I like the law's better here. I think i'm going to be keeping the D30 and trussing it. This will give me a 5 on 5.5 (warn hub kit) and I would like to keep that. I could always make a housing to fit 60" D44 axle shafts. [ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ] __________________ cuando empezemos, no me di yo cuenta, de que luego tuviera que pagar pero, si se cambie, me muera a acostarme con ti, con ti

10-17-2001, 01:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mcstiff Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3413 Location: Denver, Co USA Posts: 1,323	Well I just looked at a TJ and i dont like the linkage design. I want to make a "double V" 4 link not unlike desertoy has on his buggie. So I guess I could use any dana 44 But I'm going to try to find one from a MJ or a XJ to keep the fab work down. Looks like I was <IMG SRC="smilies/rasta.gif" border="0"> at 5 am. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> [ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ] __________________ cuando empezemos, no me di yo cuenta, de que luego tuviera que pagar pero, si se cambie, me muera a acostarme con ti, con ti

10-17-2001, 05:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jim M Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1460 Location: Monkton, MD Posts: 38	You're gonna find that TJ 44's are really expensive. A typical axle will run you around $800 - $1000. Just a plain housing is $750 from a dealer. Think about an axle from a Waggy or a Scout if you want a 44. If you want a bigger axle, why not an 8.8? You can get one of those for around $400 off an Exploder.

10-17-2001, 06:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jim M Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1460 Location: Monkton, MD Posts: 38	If that is true and they have TJ 44's, get ALL of them. Get every one they ever get in. Ship them to me at my cost and I will sell them and pay you 1/2 the profits.

10-17-2001, 06:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jim M Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1460 Location: Monkton, MD Posts: 38	Well, I had to try...

10-17-2001, 06:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Hot Money Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5757 Location: baltimore Posts: 111	8.8....... git er done <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

10-17-2001, 12:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
cmk Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 987 Posts: 1,869	According to the quality sources at JP ragazine, late model 44's, such as those found in TJ's use a thinner axle tube as compared to earlier 44's. Unless you really want to use all of the TJ bracketry, it may be worth your while to hunt for an older/stronger 44 or something else altogether. cm "keep a mindful eye and you may see a TJ 44 fall off a truck" k

10-17-2001, 03:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
MKBruin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6407 Location: Indy Posts: 891	hey, I know of pull-n-save on peoria and 225/I-70, but their prices are $67 per axle...which one do you go to? __________________ ______________________________ "Did you think this forum served a legitimate socially redeeming function other than mental masturbation?" posted by Bobzooki

10-17-2001, 04:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mcstiff Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3413 Location: Denver, Co USA Posts: 1,323	The one in aurora Pull & Save __________________ cuando empezemos, no me di yo cuenta, de que luego tuviera que pagar pero, si se cambie, me muera a acostarme con ti, con ti

10-17-2001, 06:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Fat Knobby Tire Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7605 Posts: 14	or junk yards south of you near the mexican border are dirt cheap too.

10-17-2001, 11:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
YJScott Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4880 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 77	Yo Big Eddie, That one that Mike said is the same one you're talking about, and axles are 67 after core charge. You missed out this weekend though, because everything was half off, and they had free hot dogs on Sunday. Can't beat a $35 axle. ~Scott

10-18-2001, 03:32 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mcstiff Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3413 Location: Denver, Co USA Posts: 1,323	Yeah, so if you give them your axle then you get the 10 spot back <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> . I wish I had known about the half price weekend, I need a new t-case. Dammit. __________________ cuando empezemos, no me di yo cuenta, de que luego tuviera que pagar pero, si se cambie, me muera a acostarme con ti, con ti

10-18-2001, 07:24 AM	#20 (permalink)
borton Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2125 Location: cold north Posts: 2,576	if you want the bad caracteristics of coils all the way arround, go get you a grand, then you could also have a v-8. otherwise don't mess with shit you don't understand.

10-18-2001, 12:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
stadlerm Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Member # 690 Location: Blastin Posts: 150	yah might as well wait till you can take two axles out of one truck so the gear ratios and bolt pattern are the same. Ditch the 30. mike __________________ boulder crawlers #64

10-18-2001, 01:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
borton Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2125 Location: cold north Posts: 2,576	yes you do get the same problems with a tj but in cases worse because of the short wheel base. but what I'm talking about is the bouncy bounce on steep inclines, the body roll on of camber stuff, the affects of these can be lessened by good shocks and sway bars, but by the time you did that you just as well kept the leaf springs and the money in your pocket book. and go learn to drive what you got, I've seen a snyper fall on its face cause the driver didn't know how to drive it in a competition, when a 4 popper YJ won the whole event (UROC finals) then the driver and spotter switched places and won the last ARCA finals.

10-18-2001, 01:31 PM	#25 (permalink)
Mcstiff Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3413 Location: Denver, Co USA Posts: 1,323	I know pritty well how to drive what I got. I have also had trouble with sidehilling/offcamber stuff with my current set up. I believe this is because the rear springs are MUCH stiffer than the front coils. Could I just get some longer softer leaf's, yeah. But why when I could have somthing that works as well but can flex more since the droop side just drops without resistance. <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> [ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ] __________________ cuando empezemos, no me di yo cuenta, de que luego tuviera que pagar pero, si se cambie, me muera a acostarme con ti, con ti

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