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Old 08-29-2001, 09:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Have any of you guys installed a fusible link or manual cutoff switch from the positive battery terminal to the positive cable for the winch? I won't bore you with details, but needless to say fire was involved (BAD) with my old POS winch and I'd like to wire up the new one with an easy disconnect of some sort.
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Old 08-29-2001, 04:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The problem will be finding a switch that will handled hundreds of amps for what is, in electrical terms, continuous duty. (when you read of parts rated "intermittant" that's usually 15 seconds or less - less than you will want to winch for.

The only thing i can think of will be some type of marine switch, like those from:
http://www.guestco.com/
http://www.bluesea.com/
http://www.perko.com/

But they're big and unwieldy.

I love mine though - here's my writeup:
http://www.madxj.com/MADXJ/technical...ualBattery.htm
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Old 08-30-2001, 07:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info! After looking at your writeup, I agree with your friends, the switch you installed definitly looks like it could launch a nuclear device!
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Old 08-30-2001, 07:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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One more thing - just noticed in the Warn catologue (now available on their site in pdf that they sell a cut-off switch (uses a solenoid).

I'd have to askthem about it though. I've never seen or heard of a solenoid like the one pictured that can handle 465 amps?

Nice thing about the "nuclear switch" - in a rollover or other emergency - damn easy to reach and switch off - removing all electrical power. Hope I never have to, tho
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Old 08-30-2001, 09:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sh*t just hooked up a heavy duty starter soliniod inline. Thatway the swith carries minimal current and I don't have some gawdawfl switch in the cab.
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Old 08-31-2001, 09:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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That's fine Hannibal - except no way any puny little starter solenoid is capable of handling the current fo a full winch pull - no matter what is says on the box about being "heavy duty". Plus they are niuether designed nor rated for continuos duty - what do you crank for - 3-4 seconds at most!

Sure - you might get away with it, but you migh not, and I for one wouldn't want to find out while winching up a cliff or something.

Godawful, my friend is using wrong puny weak little parts for the wrong thing - I say use the right parts for the job and screw the looks...but it's your call big guy.

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Old 08-31-2001, 04:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I have to agree that even a "Heavy Duty" starter solenoid can't handle the well over 400+ amps of current any Jeep-sized winch can draw.
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Old 08-31-2001, 09:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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ITs not actualy a starter soloniod , it is from Ramsey, the same ones that are in the DC9-1 winch that was on this jeep when I bought it. It may be old and only 8,000 pounds (pull and actual weight(ha ha))but my guess is that like most things, they don't make em like they used to. But one thing I would bet on is that it draws a hell of alot more amps than the new ones. And it works just fine.

It was only a suggestion, to do with what you want, so don't get your panties in a wad you f*ckin pussy. f*ckoff yourself or come here and see if you can make me f*ckoff!

It would only take a couple of bucks and a safe hill to testit anyway. spares are cheap and readily available, and easy to swap. And if you want to climb cliffs why don't you just get some rope (or not for you) and climbing shoes and do it right.
How many times have you actuasly NEEDED to winch up a cliff? Or is it just "I'm so cool winching my Jeep up a cliff"? and "I'm so cool with this bigol bolt-on switch".
What ever happened to inginuity, trial and error, making something out of nothing?

Well you got something out of nothing down since you made a big todo out of nothing but a suggestion.

Maybe I should go get one of you switches, how much are they again?

These solonoids are stock equipment on this DC9-1. One for power in, one for power out. Do you think you winch draws more than this old monster?
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Whooooa - easy there big fella!

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so don't get your panties in a wad you f*ckin pussy. f*ckoff yourself or come here and see if you can make me f*ckoff!
Mmay I suggest that it is extremely unwise to make statements such as this in a public forum and towards someone you have no knowledge of whatsoever - The person you attempt to intimadate may be some freakin lunatic.

Anyway - back to the topic at hand - you didn't SAY it was a winch solenoid - you said :
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heavy duty starter soliniod
Different beast entirely.

The problem with using underated electrical items (and I AM NOT saying that you necessarily are, now that I know what you are actually using) is that they don't necessarily fail all at once - you can't just test it once and say - yep, that's good. The contacts are likely to arc and burn and pit over time, and Murphy's law being what it is, fail at the worst possible time. Caution is advised, and, especially if one does any solo or remote wheeling, IMHO recovery equipment is not a good place to cut corners.


BTW - that is a very cool winch you have - I love retro stuff, and as you say...they usually don't make them like they used to. It reminds me of the Warn 8274. Sweet.
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alright sorry man I'm at 48+ hrs and about 4 hrs sleep.
From what I was able to get out of Ramsey,(witch was pretty little, first time I called a year ago to get any info on this winch they said they had nothing on paper but one behind glass in the archives. but was able to get exploded view and parts list from an oldtimer last time I called a month ago)anyway it didn't sound like they were(solonoids) to much differant from a regulare HD solonoid.
anyway sorry, thanks, and I AM the lunatic!

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<STRONG>Thanks for the info! After looking at your writeup, I agree with your friends, the switch you installed definitly looks like it could launch a nuclear device!</STRONG>
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Hannibal,

That is very cool - you might be the only person still using that model!

From your diagrams - do you know if it uses the upright spur gears like the warn 8274 - it kinda looks like it does.

Also looks like there's a whack of cable on there....I'm jealous - I think it's super cool. Take care of it!
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<STRONG>I love mine though ...</STRONG>
Hey man ... the battery switch idea, that is a thought I haven't considered, myself.

I think I'm gonna go to the marine store tomorrow.

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