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Old 05-18-2013, 12:39 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Tonight I cut off all the old long arm tabs and the exhaust to make way for my new stuff. I also dropped the height down 2 inches to just under 26" at the bottom of the belly up pan.


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Old 05-18-2013, 12:41 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I plan on doing something a bit weird. I am going to mount my lower links to the belly up pan in the center. Obviously I am not using the belly up pan for what it was intended as I will have to remove the links to do any work on the Tranny & Tcase, but I am cool with it.



The true triangulated for link will alleviate my tires from rubbing on the bottom link like you see here. OH, in case you were wondering the nylon string is tied to allow the arm to move 8", which is my double ended ram length.

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Old 05-18-2013, 12:48 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Here are my spacers for the rear. I have no idea if these are going to hold up to 40" tires on the rocks, but I am going to find out. They are 5 on 4.5 to 8 on 6.5 adapters! LOL. I don't know of anyone else running these on crawlers, but I have seen them at the strip. Totally different tire and use, but we shall see.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:21 AM   #54 (permalink)
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My new 4 bar link setup. I don't drive this thing on the street so I am not sure if I need to stress over these numbers. Hell, I am not 100% sure what they all mean anyway.

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Old 05-18-2013, 02:55 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I added one more thing from the Ruff Stuff guys to make life easier.
Adjustable Frame Mount Link Bracket 30 Degree
Item# ADJFMLB30

$75.00 USD

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Old 05-19-2013, 09:49 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Here is the best explanation of 4 link setups I have ever seen. Ian Johnson from Xtreme 4x4 explains 4 links in this episode.
Suspension 101 - Rock Racing | Xtreme 4X4 | PowerBlockTV.com - Video
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Old 05-20-2013, 05:58 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I ran 1.250" spacers (5 x 5.5" to 5 x 5.5") on my jeep (60 SF) with no issues. 39.5" was the biggest tire I ran on that axle with the spacers.

I'm not a hill bouncer and i'm pretty easy on my junk so take that with a grain of salt. As soon as I could ditch the spacers I did!
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:35 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Just pulled the trigger on my 14" ORI's. $1160 shipped to my door via Filthy Motorsports. Ben seems like a cool dude @ Filthy. He stayed on the phone with me and answered all my questions. I am looking @ an 8 to 12 week wait for these ORI's. DAMN!
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:26 PM   #59 (permalink)
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I finally got all my links, brackets and rod ends in. Yah Baby!


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Old 05-27-2013, 04:45 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I am gathering parts to do a build very similar to yours and had a couple questions.
It looks like you are using Artec lower control arm mounts on your front axle? Do you think H2 wheels with 39.5x13.5 Iroks would rub on the lower control arm? I was planing on mounting the frame end lower control arm mounts pretty much right on the bottom of the frame.
If the H2 wheels have to much backspacing,what backspacing should I be shooting for?
Any info. is greatly appreciated. Watching your build it looks great!

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I am responding to your private message here because I believe I only have a few more PM's left.

Yes Tim I am using Artec lower control arm mounts. I don't own or know anything about H2 wheels other than what I have read on here. My guess is they would rub depending on the offset. I have Zero offset wheels and I would rub with 40's @ ~80% of my full steering throw if I mounted my lower control arms from the frame and end of the axle. I am getting around this issue by running a double triangulated 4 link up front. Even though I have the TJ belly up skid plate I am not going to use the mounting points on it. I got it cheap and basically am using it to have a flat belly and push up the innards a bit. I plan on placing my lower links in the center of the belly up skid plate. I know I am going to get flack from people, but I don't care. I believe it will work and if it doesn't I will reinforce it so it does. As far as the correct offset I have no idea. I believe there are numerous posts with TJ's running H2 wheels. I would search for those posts. I have seen several people take the Hummer wheels and create their own wheel spacing so I would see what they set their spacing to. I would also look to see if your offset is even an issue. If it is then search to see if folks went down the spacer route. I picked up some 2" spacer relatively cheap. I am not sure how strong of a solution spacers are, but up here in Oregon I know plenty of guys running them hard without issue.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:15 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Picked up some more stuff today. $10 a piece Grade 8 bolts and locking nuts, 3/4 carbide drill bit $40 and some PVC pipe for mock up. This weekend should be busy.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:17 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Expensive ass bolts!
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:56 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Yah, fine thread 3/4 " Grade 8 - 4 x 4" and 4 x 5" bolts. The 5" long ones were $9.99 and the 4" long were only $7.99 at Ace Hardware. Probably got ripped off, but F'it. I want to get this thing going. My 14" ORI's are about 7 weeks out anyways, so this give me time to get my hoops bent or bought and my 4 link setup the way I want. I need a wide hoop to accommodate my front stretch because I am going to put my ORI's at an angle. All the pre-buy hoops I have found so far is not how wide I would like it.
Sorry - I have had a bunch of caffeine so I am long winded today.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:40 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I took back the fine thread bolts, don't need torque, and bought the $3.49 course thread Grade 8 bolts. Saved over $40.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:31 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Much better! I get most the bolts from tractor supply, or if I'm needing many different sizes and whatnot I'll go through boltdepot.com which is a good deal

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Old 05-29-2013, 10:57 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Link brackets are all drilled out to 3/4". Pain in the ass, but worth it for the 3/4 bolts all the way around.
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Ok 4x4 GODS, I have need for your expert advice on up travel vs correct heim to axle center distance. Can I sacrifice the heim to center distance to gain 1.25" of up travel? Here are the details:
I have it mocked up with about 3" of up travel with the current upper front link brackets centered between the radiator and crankshaft pulley. The Jeep is at ride height, 26" belly, an the axle is at 35 PSI tire pressure height 20" @ axle center from the ground. The current heim eye hole distance from the center of the axle is 9.5". According to what I have read the distance from center should be 25% of the tire diameter. I am running 40" tires so my distance from center should be 10". 9.5" is close enough, but I have a problem. I only have 3" of up travel with those tabs being so high. I was thinking of cutting as much off of them as I can which looks to be 1.25". This will allow the heim joints at full bump to clear the truss and not hit. If I shave 1.25" off the upper link brackets that brings my heim eye to axle center distance around 8.25". Is this close enough to 25% or is that basically a guideline? I don't drive this on the street at all so if this is for some kind of road mannerism then I don't care. Any information on this would be helpful. Thanks


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If you look close you can see the line I drew to cut off the bottom 1.25" of the brackets. "To cut or not to cut"? That is the question.


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Old 05-30-2013, 12:06 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Lewis from Ruff Stuff said 25% is a guideline. He also said to put my lower links to where the lower eye is at the bottom of the axle. This should put me almost dead on 10".
Thanks Ruff Stuff. Talk about your post sale support!
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Yeah those upper link brackets are alot taller than the ones we sell with our trusses and most guys using our trusses and link mounts are running between 39s and 42s.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:35 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Thanks Artec. I am using your truss and lower link brackets with Ruff Stuff rod ends and some tabs.
Thanks to both of you guys for being easy to work with.
I will be buying Artec high steer arms when I can or you have a sale!
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I cut them down an inch and a quarter and this gives me over 4" of room for up travel.

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My center length is now @ 8.25, but I am going to adjust my lowers down a bit to make up the extra distance just because.
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