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Old 11-29-2001, 02:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wagoneer Dana44's...

I heard a nasty rumor that narrow-track Wagoneers had Dana44 axles that were 58.4" WMS to WMS. Anyone back this up? If so, were they considered 3/4 ton, and had 6 lug patterns? Also, if this is the case, what did they have for rear axles? What side was the diff on?

Lookin around at my Dana44 options for my Samurai (52" WMS to WMS, and passenger diff) and this might be an option.. if I can find the right axle

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rumors true..

They came in both center diff and drives side diff.
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Old 11-29-2001, 03:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ok, first of all, all wagoneers are narrow track.

they are roughly 60 inches, mine is apart so I cant measure it. 76 wag,

75-79 are passenger side pumpkin, disk brake, (my 76 had flattopped knuckles)

80-91 are driver side pumpkin disk braked.
2.72,3.08,3.54 are the most common gear ratios Ive seen.

some 80 and newer had a vacum disconnect you should steer clear of.

they are considered half ton,

the rears 79 and older are dana 44s, mostly offset ( Quadratrack) but some where centered.

80-85 ( or 86) where amc20 rears, but heavy duty, way better than the CJ amc20, some or all after 85 ( or 86) where centered dana 44 rears again

all rears 1980 and later were centered.

6 lugs = half ton 8 lugs = 3/4 ton ( in this era of Jeeps)

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Thanks for the info, Ozark.. but if they are all narrow track.. where did the whole 'narrow track' 'wide track' thing come from? I have a drivers side drop from a 80' wagoneer that I was going to put in my Tacoma.. and its 61" WMS to WMS (yes, close enough to your 60")..

Time to start junkyard digging I guess.. hopefully I'll find one of those flat knuckled ones you managed to snag
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I've got a 82' narrow track dana 44 front in my YJ and its roughly 61" WMS to WMS as well. Im pretty sure there considered 1/2 ton axle but a HD version...
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the wide narrow thing, come s from teh cherokees actually.

they were availble in a narrow track version and a wide track.

I had a wide track ( youve probably seen them usully cherokee Cheifs)

it was called a 2 door widetrack station wagon by the VIN breakdown, I beleive the others were referred to as 2 door narrow track utility wagons.

the J trucks are all wide, either the same as a wide cherokee, or very close

there was never a 2 door wagoneer, but there were a few 4 door cherokees, there were however NO 4 door widetracks from teh factorry.

trivial, but its easier to find what you need if you know what to eliminate first ( most of hte 2 doors and all teh J trucks)
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Looks like I found the right guy.. hehe. Thanks again, Ozark.. I should take you to the damn junkyard with me
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ok, first of all, all wagoneers are narrow track.

Ozark, I may be a newbie here but I have to disagree with the above portion of your statement. I have a '76 Cherokee with '80 Wagoneer factory axles under it. They are WIDE TRACK... 63" wms to wms. The front DANA44 is driver's drop and the rear AMC20 is centered diff w/3:31s or 3:54s. Maybe a dealer option

Vermin, I have a buddy who has a 'Zuki that is heavily modified. He has the axles from under my Cherokee in his rig. If you are interested, email me and I'll hook you two up. The axles I have are in really good shape. The 44 has NEW Warn Premium locking hubs and new brake pads. Both items were installed about 1k miles ago. The hubs haven't been locked yet or even off-road. The 20 has the ONE PIECE axles and not the crappy two piecers! I also have a pair of Caddy calipers I'll throw in if you think you might want to do a disc conversion sometime. The housings are in rather good condition too. Straight and true, and haven't been abused. The gears are stock and open. Email or post here if you have any interest in the axles.

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sorry Tigger,

the narrow tracks are 62-63 front
59-60 rear

wide tracks are 65 front, 63 rear.

never ever been a widetrack wagoneer from the factory.
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I knew I shouldnt have asked a question that would confuse me Only one solution here... getting out of bed early enough Saturday to hit some junkyards with a pen/paper/tape measure
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The front waggy axle is 60.5 wms to wms and the rear is 58.5 wms to wms.
xjs have a 60.5 wms to wms 44 for the rear if you can find them.
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Did cherokees ever come with a front d44? I saw one advertised and was wondering how it would fit my YJ (I have a cherokee D44 rear on it now)
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Did cherokees ever come with a front d44? I saw one advertised and was wondering how it would fit my YJ (I have a cherokee D44 rear on it now)
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Old 11-29-2001, 06:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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yes

The old full size Cherokee came w/ D44 front just like the Waggy, but I guess that's not what you had in mind.
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Where does this information come from

I HAVE A '76 CHEROKEE 2 DOOR... It came with DANA 44s FRONT & REAR! I sold those to a buddy who put 'em under his 'Zuki when I put '80 WAGONEER WIDES on my '76. THEY ARE DANA 44 front and AMC 20 rear!!!

So, YES, Cherokees DID come with 44s...

And, I got the wms to wms wrong, Ozark is right... BUT, this Wagoneer DID have WIDES on it!!

Maybe I have been too much of the ... I dunno... BUT these are what were under each vehicle and I have both sets still available to me for comparison.

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I hope you still have the wagoneer that donated those "wide" axles, since its the only one known to exist, its got to be worth more than the normal early 80s wag.

cherokees, there are XJ cherokees ( they quit making these a couple of years ago, they were calling it classic or something)

its a unibody, midsized,SUV

and then there is a FSJ cherokee that held the name first was a fullsized beast, a wagoneer with 2 doors, these had Dana 44 fronts.

the latter models did not.

Hey Tigger got any pics of your rig?

whats the VIN#?

if it isnt a model 17 it isnt a widetrack cherokee.

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Well make it easy for junkyard hunters OK?

If it has plastic fenderflares on it stock.. its a wide track.
If the fenders are molded into the sheetmetal.. its a narrow track.

Gets rid of the whole model arguement.
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cherokees, there are XJ cherokees ( they quit making these a couple of years ago, they were calling it classic or something)

and then there is a FSJ cherokee that held the name first was a fullsized beast, a wagoneer with 2 doors, these had Dana 44 fronts
Hmmm... Did ya happen to notice my sig?

And the WIDES came out of an '80... maybe an '81

VIN #... Now whose the ?! 'sides, I don't own the Waggie, just the Cherokee... the Waggie donor had the Wides that are now on my Cherokee and my Cherokee is a what...? Bueller... Bueller... Yes, a 19...76... that's right class.... a '76. And those are under my buddies 'Zuki. You give ME the section(letter/number) to look up on my VIN and I'll give you that PIECE of it.

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Wagoneers, never, and I mean NEVER came from the factory Wide Track. that was strictly a FSJ Cherokee thing, and not even all of those.

If you got Wide track axles from a Wagoneer, than someone swapped them in before you got to them.

another thing to consider, the D44 on a Waggie is WIDER than the AMC20. So measure your AMC20 WMF to WMF and tell us it isn't 58-3/4-59".
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i've never heard of a widetrack waggy. it must have had axles swapped in and fenders modded (i don't think the tires would fit inside the stock fenders cuz the axle is 3" wider...).

the vac disco axles are in 83-84 waggies, so don't get those.
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I gotta agree with Ozark on this one. No such thing as a waggy widetrack--at least, from the factory...

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I think your a fawking dope tigger,

but, I can only hope your willingness to learn, is almost as strong as your unwilingness to accept being wrong.

your VIN

will read

J6 ( then A,F or M, depepnds on tranny) then are listening here?
the next 2 letters Ill be 15,16,17,or 18

17 is a widetrack so lets go thru that again for you Beuler.

J6A16

is what Im gessing is your first 5 VIN letters, and that denotes an automatic equipped 2 door, NARROW track cherokee.

any more questions?

oh yeah tell me the last letter ( not number, the last letter) and Ill tell you what engine it came with from teh factory.

oh yeah MIKE,

yeah thats the easiest way for me to ID widetracks also, the problem if I tell him that, and he has never seen a narrow VS a wide ( as you and I have) its hard to determine whats a fender flare and what isnt, and they are all metal, not plastic, they are bad to get rusty, plastic ones would be a godsend/

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i've never heard of a widetrack waggy. it must have had axles swapped in and fenders modded (i don't think the tires would fit inside the stock fenders cuz the axle is 3" wider...).

the vac disco axles are in 83-84 waggies, so don't get those.
Watch it on those years though, there is bleed over on the factory. I bought a D44 from a 82 and got a vac disco axle, teaches me to buy and look second.

That's ok, the front D44 waggie axle in at least a 85 has a 3" axle tube!
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oh yeah MIKE,

yeah thats the easiest way for me to ID widetracks also, the problem if I tell him that, and he has never seen a narrow VS a wide ( as you and I have) its hard to determine whats a fender flare and what isnt, and they are all metal, not plastic, they are bad to get rusty, plastic ones would be a godsend/

Now that I think about it, you're right. Oh well been a logn time since I searched for 44's from anything.. But you're also right about the lengths.
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And the narrowtracks are ~48" from upper ball joint to upper ball joint.
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