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Old 08-15-2003, 06:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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LSD's - Clutches vs Gears

Limited slips come in clutch and gear flavors but does one type have an advantage over the other? I gots no 'sperience with the gear type!

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clutch types work great when new and they are completely streetable but the downside is they dont last forever and the clutches wear out and sometimes will slip where the gear is locked at a low rpm and stays their, the only downside i could see to gear is that they are heavy and expensive. Personally for the money i prefer a power lock but for rocks man a detroit or lincoln are topps
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Personally for the money i prefer a power lock but for rocks man a detroit or lincoln are topps
is Lincoln a brand now???


Rock, gears are much better IMO. I've been exposed to both, clutches only held so well, if you work the brake right the geared LSD are ok...but their still FAR from lockers...
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since ive seen guys use a 110 flux core wire to weld a rear tight all the way up to 7018 rod i think it should be a brand and make sure if you get one its not an off brand like the 110 ....Talk about crap..it held though.....unreal. Ive welded quite a few rears and i wont ever weld another stupid AMC20 because every time i do the stupid axle huds spin and after welding them the axles snap, why AMC oooWHY
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Rock, gears are much better IMO. I've been exposed to both, clutches only held so well, if you work the brake right the geared LSD are ok...but their still FAR from lockers...
Agreed on lockers . . . my rear is getting an ARB but since I run stock retro-junk a front locker would be a little severe. I've had a lot of stock Power Locks and seldom had a problem but gear type LSD's like the Detroit TrueTrac are new to me. My concerns are more along the lines of reliability.
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for an LSD, the TrueTrac rocks. serious.
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Clutch-type
-Wear out, some are rebuildable.
-Adjustible bias, you can tune it to your liking.

Gear-type
-Don't wear out, always predictable.
-Non-adjustible.
-Were weak untill tractech released one.
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My personal opinion.....lock it right or dont bother
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My personal opinion.....lock it right or dont bother
Thanks for the advice but I don't like lockers in the front - That's why I asked for opinions on clutch vs gear LSD's.
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Thanks for the advice but I don't like lockers in the front - That's why I asked for opinions on clutch vs gear LSD's.

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Well excuuuuuse me, sonny boy! I defer to your 3 years of wheeling experience.

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Thanks for the advice but I don't like lockers in the front - That's why I asked for opinions on clutch vs gear LSD's.
Why not? You dont wheel rocks?
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Why not? You dont wheel rocks?
Only the little ones!
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Well excuuuuuse me, sonny boy! I defer to your 3 years of wheeling experience.

Now then, if you don't have something constructive to contribute, keep your fuckin' nose out of it! Understood?
don't bother, he's never had anything to contribute to PBB. types before thinking, must be a fast typer, na, slow thinker....
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Thanks for the advice but I don't like lockers in the front - That's why I asked for opinions on clutch vs gear LSD's.
First, what kind of Jeep do you have. Second, exactly what is it about a front-mounted locker that you don't like? How many have you owned?

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You'll have to change out the carrier for either. If you are set on a limited slip the geared ones are stronger, and last longer.
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First, what kind of Jeep do you have. Second, exactly what is it about a front-mounted locker that you don't like? How many have you owned?
1st Q: The Jeepster pic above is my current junk. It's one of them there retro-wheelers that's PowerLocked front and rear on the original axles.

2nd Q: I don't like the way they drive and they're harder on machinery.

3rd Q: I had 2 front Detroits and swapped them both out for clutch type LSD's.

That said, a front locker puts excessive shock loads on the front axle components which, in turn, leads to ealy component failure. I 'druther spend my time on the trail wheeling and camping rather fixing and getting greasy.

I've been running the Rubicon and trails like it on 4 continents for the better part of 40 years with a combination that works for me so why change now?

Remember this, wheeling is an art that requires a lot of finesse. All the money in the world can't build a bullet-proof rig for a driver that can't drive worth a shit. It is now and always has been 10% rig and 90% driver.

Now that we've waded through all the bullshit, I think I'll go out buy myself a Detroit SureTrac for the front axle. If I don't like it I can always go back to a PowerLock.
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Sounds like ytou knew what you were gonna do long before you even posted
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don't bother, he's never had anything to contribute to PBB. types before thinking, must be a fast typer, na, slow thinker....
Blah blah blah.... Whatever dude... Just because you disagree with my thinking doesn't mean I don't contribute. Talk about being full of it. Its just MY opinion that limited slips arent hard core... and guess what... I have a rear limited slip... Mostly because I don't have the cash to buy a full detroit yet, but as soon as I do, its going in. IMHO, limited slips are useless in big rocks. Take it or leave it, I don't care.
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Sounds like ytou knew what you were gonna do long before you even posted
Not really!
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Not really!
How do you figure? You just posted what you think you are going to do, and seemed to figure it out without our help.
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dana turdy's are much more hardcore then limited slips Po' adds another stupid comment.

He never asked about front lockers, yeah his mind was made up to get a LSD. What wasnt made up was gears or clutches.
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dana turdy's are much more hardcore then limited slips Po' adds another stupid comment.

He never asked about front lockers, yeah his mind was made up to get a LSD. What wasnt made up was gears or clutches.
I never claimed to have a hardcore rig, but I know not to ask questions like this either. I don't go around asking how to build up my Dana 30 do I? If you really must know, I don't have the cash to drop on a D44 yet, so thats why I don't have one up front.


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dont have the cash blah blah blah

It's called jeep envy, sorta like you penis envy. He has the cash to build his rig the way he wants to you dont/cant figure it out.

I dont have the cash to change anything on my rig right now either, but you dont see me baggin on your dana 30.

Whatever, I aint the police, but it seemed legit to me.

Hardcore isnt what your rig rides on, its how you ride your rig.
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. . . Hardcore isnt what your rig rides on, its how you ride your rig . . .
Yup . . . I'd say that pretty much sums it up!
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