Got the hydro steer done... - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Rokcrler · 11-15-2003, 06:27 PM

Well, here it is:
2.5"x8" Ram, Char-Lynn Valve yada yada...
Steering is kinda too many turns center to locks but that was in the parkinglot... we'll test the Smittyoffroad.com arms and tierod and hydrosteering tomorrow...

Mo

Thanks again Travis for the kickass arms and rod

Rokcrler · 11-15-2003, 06:31 PM

Damn musta had one too many

's.... Heres the pic

braxton357 · 11-15-2003, 07:16 PM

Wow that looks pretty simple and real nice. The only thing I would be worried about would be bashing that ram, but it looks pretty heavy duty and has the tire right there.. nice

BrettM · 11-15-2003, 09:57 PM

have you driven it on the road? or at any sort of speed? how did it do?

mark.bales · 11-15-2003, 10:57 PM

are the hydro hoses long enough?? to allow axle flex or is the pic making it look too short?

Po' riggity · 11-15-2003, 11:14 PM

the ram looks good.. but very suspect to nailing rocks... I'd move it, but who knows.. it might work...
Scott

Rokcrler · 11-16-2003, 12:15 AM

the shortest hose is 24" both hoses going to the ram have plenty of slack for droop, but we'll see sunday afternoon... I drove it with 55 being the fastest and it handled pretty damn nice... still gotta set toe tighter tho right now its 1/4" in. I chose the 2.5" ram cause i didnt want too quick a turn as opposed to the 2", but am pondering swapping to the 2" depending on this weekends ride. Im not worried about bashing it on rocks, seeing that the same ram setup was run on 3 comp vehicles of two friends of mine. Besides at under $40 each i'll probably have a spare in the parts bin

braxton357 · 11-16-2003, 12:21 AM

how much did the whole setup -orbital, hoses, pump, ram- end up costing you?

Rokcrler · 11-16-2003, 12:32 AM

Price is kinda low due to knowing the people i got the stuff from

Char-Lynn: $275.00
Ram: $40.00 ish
Hoses and fittings: $90.00

Cheapest ive seen was $150.00
Grade 8 1" bolts/nuts: $10.00
Pump is AutoZone Reman 87 Grand Waggy - Lifetime Warranty

: $60ish with res (kept other res with new pump also as spare)

Being able to steer the damn Jeep: Priceless

LUVMYTJ · 11-16-2003, 06:03 AM

I like it man.. Let us know how it preforms. Hydro is in my NEAR future for sure. I just havnt determined what all component/combo I want to use. Where you gettin you rams from.

rockcrawler304 · 11-16-2003, 06:22 AM

I like the nice clean set up. It looks like you should probably flip the mouinting bolt on the axle side the other way to keep from bashing the threads up though. Just one les problem to worry about if ever you did need to change the ram out on the trail.

madmarx · 11-16-2003, 06:35 AM

How close it the tierod to the orbital valve when the drivers tire is at full stuff? It looks like space might get REALLY tight then. Looks good though. Oh yea, nice sig on the jeep, it matches mine exactly

Rokcrler · 11-16-2003, 07:08 AM

The bolt has been Lock-tighted and trimmed, i'll have some pics of it at full stuff and extension so we'll see how this setup works...

I had talked with Station, planned on getting the parts from him but....... got to work one day and someone had bought the parts for my b-day... the packages said Baileynet

redramsport · 11-16-2003, 09:06 AM

Guess it is time to start doing some searches about full hydro steering. At those prices why was I even considering hydro assist?!

Looks good though. I just want to see the pics on the trail!

TPIJeep · 11-16-2003, 11:36 AM

The only thing I would be concerned about is when your up to speed is unequal turns left to right.. I would be willing to say that from the centered posistion your looking at 2.5 turns to get full left and 1.5 turns to full right since its a single sided ram.

The install looks good, thats the same place I had my hydro assist ram mounted, it never got rock rash!

Todd W · 11-16-2003, 12:58 PM

WOW... If I mounted my ram there it would be torn off.

I had a ``made by'' plate on my front axle tube and I tore it off, and just last week I painted all the bare metal on my front axle tube.. exactly where the ram is mounted....

Other than that awesome install!! So are you going to be driving it on the street much or is it only a trail rig? I`d love to go full hydro, but my concern is streetability... (to quick of turns, auto recenter... etc) I haven't looked into it much so this may not be a prob..

Rokcrler · 11-16-2003, 05:22 PM

Well, the whole setup kicks major ass!!!
The steering worked flawlessly, we drove about 6 miles to the trail head on a 2 lane road, road feel was, well i couldnt even tell it was hydro steering! the auto return to center is the only thing i dont have, but with the 40" TSLs and full width axles (87" outside tire to outside tire) i expected that. The lenght of the hoses was more than adequate, turns lock to lock are not as bad as people might think. I have about 2.5 either way but it seems slow for offroad. Im thinking the 2" ram will be much quicker offroad.

The Hi-steer arms, tierod, and ram allow really tight turns...

Well, i dont have close ups of the steering but here is a shot of the stuff we wheeled today...

More would have been wheeled but kept spitting rear u-joint caps and finally fawked up the yoke

desertCJ · 11-16-2003, 09:05 PM

Quote:

The only thing I would be concerned about is when your up to speed is unequal turns left to right

How often do you turn that far while at speed? If your turning sharp enough to notice it that'll prolly be about the same time that you notice your hanging from your seatbelt

Rokcrler · 11-17-2003, 06:57 AM

Pulling out of the shop this morning, i took note on the amount of turns and it had 3 turns left and 3.25 turns right.

11-15-2003, 06:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	Got the hydro steer done... Well, here it is: 2.5"x8" Ram, Char-Lynn Valve yada yada... Steering is kinda too many turns center to locks but that was in the parkinglot... we'll test the Smittyoffroad.com arms and tierod and hydrosteering tomorrow... Mo Thanks again Travis for the kickass arms and rod

11-15-2003, 06:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	Damn musta had one too many 's.... Heres the pic Attached Images

11-15-2003, 07:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
braxton357 Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 14685 Location: morganton/charlotte,nc Posts: 4,556	Wow that looks pretty simple and real nice. The only thing I would be worried about would be bashing that ram, but it looks pretty heavy duty and has the tire right there.. nice __________________ In vino veritas 70 turbocharged 351w fastback mustang 73 linked 5.8efi Bronco 99 QCLB 4x4 twin'd cummins on meth.

11-15-2003, 09:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
BrettM Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11998 Location: Michifornia Posts: 4,025	have you driven it on the road? or at any sort of speed? how did it do? __________________ awshifting.com awshifting@gmail.com

11-15-2003, 10:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
mark.bales Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20301 Location: utah Posts: 696	are the hydro hoses long enough?? to allow axle flex or is the pic making it look too short? __________________ 1953 willys pick-up buggy...404's,42's,16's

11-16-2003, 12:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	the shortest hose is 24" both hoses going to the ram have plenty of slack for droop, but we'll see sunday afternoon... I drove it with 55 being the fastest and it handled pretty damn nice... still gotta set toe tighter tho right now its 1/4" in. I chose the 2.5" ram cause i didnt want too quick a turn as opposed to the 2", but am pondering swapping to the 2" depending on this weekends ride. Im not worried about bashing it on rocks, seeing that the same ram setup was run on 3 comp vehicles of two friends of mine. Besides at under $40 each i'll probably have a spare in the parts bin

11-16-2003, 12:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
braxton357 Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 14685 Location: morganton/charlotte,nc Posts: 4,556	how much did the whole setup -orbital, hoses, pump, ram- end up costing you? __________________ In vino veritas 70 turbocharged 351w fastback mustang 73 linked 5.8efi Bronco 99 QCLB 4x4 twin'd cummins on meth.

11-16-2003, 12:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	Price is kinda low due to knowing the people i got the stuff from Char-Lynn: $275.00 Ram: $40.00 ish Hoses and fittings: $90.00 Cheapest ive seen was $150.00 Grade 8 1" bolts/nuts: $10.00 Pump is AutoZone Reman 87 Grand Waggy - Lifetime Warranty : $60ish with res (kept other res with new pump also as spare) Being able to steer the damn Jeep: Priceless

11-16-2003, 06:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
LUVMYTJ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14036 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,553	I like it man.. Let us know how it preforms. Hydro is in my NEAR future for sure. I just havnt determined what all component/combo I want to use. Where you gettin you rams from. __________________ Carpe Diem, BABY!

11-16-2003, 06:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
rockcrawler304 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5601 Location: Far West El Paso Texas Posts: 609	I like the nice clean set up. It looks like you should probably flip the mouinting bolt on the axle side the other way to keep from bashing the threads up though. Just one les problem to worry about if ever you did need to change the ram out on the trail. __________________ 06 Dodge Mega Cab 2500 4x4 CTD 325/610 6spd hand shaker, Smarty tuned!

11-16-2003, 06:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
madmarx Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5115 Location: Chattanooga Tn Posts: 723	How close it the tierod to the orbital valve when the drivers tire is at full stuff? It looks like space might get REALLY tight then. Looks good though. Oh yea, nice sig on the jeep, it matches mine exactly

11-16-2003, 07:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	The bolt has been Lock-tighted and trimmed, i'll have some pics of it at full stuff and extension so we'll see how this setup works... I had talked with Station, planned on getting the parts from him but....... got to work one day and someone had bought the parts for my b-day... the packages said Baileynet

11-16-2003, 09:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
redramsport Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16752 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 105	Guess it is time to start doing some searches about full hydro steering. At those prices why was I even considering hydro assist?! Looks good though. I just want to see the pics on the trail! __________________ President and proud member of D.R.P.A.

11-16-2003, 11:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
TPIJeep Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 2082 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,041	The only thing I would be concerned about is when your up to speed is unequal turns left to right.. I would be willing to say that from the centered posistion your looking at 2.5 turns to get full left and 1.5 turns to full right since its a single sided ram. The install looks good, thats the same place I had my hydro assist ram mounted, it never got rock rash! __________________ I am normally only a danger to myself don't make me include you!! BioHazard Buggy Build Thread Southern Motor Sports Ruston, Louisiana

11-16-2003, 12:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
Todd W I make websites! Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12429 Location: Rubicon Trail - CA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 9	WOW... If I mounted my ram there it would be torn off. I had a ``made by'' plate on my front axle tube and I tore it off, and just last week I painted all the bare metal on my front axle tube.. exactly where the ram is mounted.... Other than that awesome install!! So are you going to be driving it on the street much or is it only a trail rig? I`d love to go full hydro, but my concern is streetability... (to quick of turns, auto recenter... etc) I haven't looked into it much so this may not be a prob.. __________________ My 4x4 Blog Rockwell axles too!

11-16-2003, 05:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	Well, the whole setup kicks major ass!!! The steering worked flawlessly, we drove about 6 miles to the trail head on a 2 lane road, road feel was, well i couldnt even tell it was hydro steering! the auto return to center is the only thing i dont have, but with the 40" TSLs and full width axles (87" outside tire to outside tire) i expected that. The lenght of the hoses was more than adequate, turns lock to lock are not as bad as people might think. I have about 2.5 either way but it seems slow for offroad. Im thinking the 2" ram will be much quicker offroad. The Hi-steer arms, tierod, and ram allow really tight turns... Well, i dont have close ups of the steering but here is a shot of the stuff we wheeled today... More would have been wheeled but kept spitting rear u-joint caps and finally fawked up the yoke Attached Images

11-17-2003, 06:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
Rokcrler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12756 Location: Hsv, Al Posts: 880	Pulling out of the shop this morning, i took note on the amount of turns and it had 3 turns left and 3.25 turns right.

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