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Old 06-11-2004, 02:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dakota/Waggy Springs and ride height.

Looking for input on where to put the shackle hangers on my extended frame so I sit level.

Dakota rears, 7 leaf waggy fronts, YJ frame.

Waggy's are in the stock mounts (no shackle reversal), dakota's are using the stock main hanger.

Trial and error will suck as it is just a bare frame right now.

Should the rear shackle hanger go through the frame like a stock YJ or under the frame like a stock CJ?
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Old 06-13-2004, 10:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The spring length is going to dictate where the shackle hanger goes more than trying to sit level. Put it too far forward or back and your shackle angles will be FUBAR.
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree that spring length will dictate where the hanger goes horizontally.

I am asking where to place it vertically. Between dropping the hanger in the middle of the frame extension and putting it on the bottom of the frame there is a 3+" difference that will contribute to the rear ride height.
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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depending on how whipped your waggys are, they provide 0-1" of "lift". dakotas/durangos provide 3". therefore, to level it out, you'll need to "raise" your shackle mount. on my cj, I outboarded the springs and set it up so that the springs provided ~1-1.5" of lift. My fronts provide none so I sit a tad higher in the rear, but just perfect for my likings. here's a few pics. hope this helps



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Old 06-14-2004, 12:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Higher on the frame(rear of frame) will warrant a longer shackle

I mounted the shackle hangar below the frame and use the boomerang shaped shackles. (really short shackles)

mine are f150 springs and the main eye hangar is welded 7" forward from the stock hangars.
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Old 06-14-2004, 01:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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My waggy springs gave 3"-4" lift over stock YJ springs. With waggy springs, bumper height was 35"-36", with stock YJ springs, bumper height is 32".
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3-4" is what rancho 44044's provide. 44044's and durango's will provide about the same net height. too high for SOA in stock locations in my opinion. no stock waggy spring should give that much height. if so, something else also changed. you got a big dent where you were measuring or something. anyhow, mine sit flat and flex to negative arch. mine are very whipped, but still can't see nor have I heard of junkyard waggy's giving more than 1-1.5".
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My waggy springs gave 3"-4" lift over stock YJ springs. With waggy springs, bumper height was 35"-36", with stock YJ springs, bumper height is 32".

These were new 7 leave HD springs from JCWhitney. They were pretty tall, esp compared to worn stock YJ springs. I could tell a big difference in the height, but I'll let him defend his measuring.
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For the record, I never mentioned YJ springs. Hell I've never owned a set.

I appreciate the witty banter and all, but would really like to hear some fact from those that know not speculate.

Right now I am planning on a simple to do and to seal later (if wrong) 3/8" bolt hole in the middle of the frame extension and wait on the rest of the rearend weight to go on then deal with the height issue.

Though my rig will likely weigh in different than another, it sure would be nice to see pics from someone running this same set up.
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[QUOTE=preach]For the record, I never mentioned YJ springs. Hell I've never owned a set.

I appreciate the witty banter and all, but would really like to hear some fact from those that know not speculate.

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The stock YJ springs were mentioned as a basis for measurement. It is well known that the stock YJ springs provide...WOW, big surprise, 0" lift.

Here is some witty banter, backed up by some pics On my jeep, with brand spanking new JC Whitney 7 leaf HD waggy front springs, the net lift achieved over a stock YJ spring, was 3-4". Maybe this will help you solve your little dilemma.


1st pic: SUA rear, SOA front with stock YJ springs, measurement to the bottom of the rockers is 27", bumper is 32"


2nd pic: SOA all around using the aforementioned waggy springs, measurement to the bottom of the rockers is 31", bumper is 36".

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Old 06-14-2004, 05:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think the waggys will settle a bit
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I think the waggys will settle a bit
I hope so....for the guy that bought them It was a lot higher than I needed for those tires. I have a D44 front and 4.88s. If I would have had a D60 and 5.13s or lower, I would have just gotten some 38's. But I didnt want to push the limits of the D44 or the gearing, plus, it was just too tall for me. But not to fear, I still have some waggy springs in there - the rear springs are BDS waggy 4" front lift springs, and those bastards are heavy duty. Still kept the extra wheelbase in the rear, and now I have a nice low COG.

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I have Waggie fronts on the front and Dakota rears on the rear. My CJ sits level with the shackle hangers mounted below the frame. I honestly don't know if the CJ has the same difference in frame height as the YJ when comparing the front of the spring to the rear though. I could measure if it helps.
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