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[ironpig70]

all right i need some help here. i'm posting this for a buddy and i am a cruiser guy and have little knowledge of the jeep. my buddy is looking for a kit to go from the stock narrow jeep axles to a dana 60 front and dana 70 rear. he wants to keep the stock springs.for the rear i believe we will cut the perches off and slide them over and weld new ones in.i did a similar project on my cruiser but he wants a bolt in/weld in kit for the front. who makes such a kit.

[93yjpiece]

78-79 Ford front 60's will bolt on to yj spring stock width. Spring plates are within 1/4" of stock width.

Bluetorchfab.com makes a fullwidth kit for YJ's for use with wider spring perch front axles.

[CRAWLTHIS]

Both Blue Torch Fab and Poison Spyder Customs makes kits. The BTF is weld on and the PSC kit is mostly bolt on, some welding is involved though. Hope that helps

[CSP]

Originally Posted by CRAWLTHIS

Both Blue Torch Fab and Poison Spyder Customs makes kits. The BTF is weld on and the PSC kit is mostly bolt on, some welding is involved though.

The PSC kit is for CJ's though. The subject here is YJ, which a kit is completely unnecessary for.

[93yjpiece]

Yes Poison Spyder did come out with a CJ kit at first, but for awhile now they have also had the YJ kit.

[biggin]

If he is going to run anything bigger than a 35 I would move the front axle forward atleast 4 inches. Just my .02 I would just weld on my on spring hangers to the frame were you want the axle and not mess with a kit that is going to cost you more than the steel to do it yourself. There is no out boarding so it is quite simple.

[sick_sahara_yj]

the only time you have to outboard is if you are using anything but a ford front end. the BTF kit moves your front end forward 2 inches and paying for more than the steel is worth is a stupid way to put it, cause they make it a kit for simplicity, and you pay for the simplicity not the steel itself. also some people dont have the GQ to make this stuff, and find their time better wheeling and using simple things than trying to build all their chit themselves. just my .02 worth

[bigdude]

Originally Posted by sick_sahara_yj

the only time you have to outboard is if you are using anything but a ford front end.

......anything but a Ford front from a 78-79 F250 or 350. Unless you literally meant ALL fords and in that case I'd like to see that set up with TTB

[biggin]

Originally Posted by sick_sahara_yj

the only time you have to outboard is if you are using anything but a ford front end. the BTF kit moves your front end forward 2 inches and paying for more than the steel is worth is a stupid way to put it, cause they make it a kit for simplicity, and you pay for the simplicity not the steel itself. also some people dont have the GQ to make this stuff, and find their time better wheeling and using simple things than trying to build all their chit themselves. just my .02 worth

Bull shit I had a chevy axle in the front of my yj and it fit perfectly. You only have to out board on the cj,s

And I guess you would rather pay $300 bucks for a kit that bolts on in the same time it takes to build your own hangers and weld them to the frame Go the fawk away

[sick_sahara_yj]

so you didnt have to push your springs out 3/8 of an inch to get them the spring bolts to sit in the holes. i bet your shackles look something like this too / \. how well does it drive down the road like that? how long before you have to replace your front bushings.... hmmm i have been there and done that. it is easier to get the BTF kit and use it. oh and the BTF kit isnt a bolt on. and the only way your chevy front fit perfectly is if your bushings are so worn out that your springs flop where ever they want. and as for the ford fronrs, i was talking about most of the strait axles as their perches are narrower than chevys

[biggin]

Originally Posted by sick_sahara_yj

so you didnt have to push your springs out 3/8 of an inch to get them the spring bolts to sit in the holes. i bet your shackles look something like this too / \. how well does it drive down the road like that? how long before you have to replace your front bushings.... hmmm i have been there and done that. it is easier to get the BTF kit and use it. oh and the BTF kit isnt a bolt on. and the only way your chevy front fit perfectly is if your bushings are so worn out that your springs flop where ever they want. and as for the ford fronrs, i was talking about most of the strait axles as their perches are narrower than chevys

No shakles. I ran sliders Your still a fawking idiot. Come over, I have another chevy 60 and we can bolt it right in there so you can see for your self I agree it is not the EXACT same measurement between frame rails and the axle perches but it is damn close to not out board for a 1/4 of an inch on each side. I could run down the interstae at 70mph with 39tsl's so. And if you have to weld with the btf why not do it yourself?

[sick_sahara_yj]

i see your g string is puled too tight. you admit that it isnt aperfect fit. im not going to argue through a forum, but if you used sliders, then you didnt use all the factory stuff that ironpig70 is using. so arguing this point is now useless.

[bigdude]

Originally Posted by sick_sahara_yj

i see your g string is puled too tight. you admit that it isnt aperfect fit.

If you want to get literal a 78-79 Ford front is not "perfect either". They too are a little off. Also, straight axle Fords from later years are not the same as the 78-79, they are spaced even further out.

[G.C. Bandit]

To Clear It All Up I Ran A 79-79 Ford 44 On My Yj. It Bolted Up With The Springs Fanning Out Probably A 1/4 Inch On Each Side. No Big Deal, Did A Shackle Reversal And Built A New Hanger And Fixed Everything!

[thundr undrgrond]

i dint have any problems putting a chevy rear in my jeep either, the dodge 60 on the other hand, i needed to move the hangers out about 1/2'' since i dint want my springs to be on that much of an angle

[NH Jeep Junkie]

1970 d70 with a dually set-up is 40.5" perch to perch thats only a .25" stretch for the springs.

[ironpig70]

i agree about the kit price and my buddy is a pretty good fabricator and he helped me outboard my cruiser(dana 44 front) and i told him it would be alot easier to do what i did but he wants a kit. will have to slide the 60 in and see what the offset is cause if it .25" then we are just bolting that thing in.

[Shaggygto]

I bolted in my front D60 on my YJ and went. Well, let it sit. Yes, it's off a little, but I switched to poly bushings and don't anticipate any problems with that. I have seen this done a lot and no body complains that I know of (besides Sick_Sahara_YJ).

[alwaysbrokeYJ]

I just bolted the front full width 44 on, it was a little over a 1/2" off but a little on each side didn't hurt too bad. My front shackles do look a little pidgeon toed though. The back had plates welded on the stock perches already so I redrilled the center hole, notched the plate and that was it.

[sick_sahara_yj]

i dont build things to have to replace bushings often. i personally dont like making my bushings wear out faster. there is a reason why things are done certain ways, and to each their own. for me, less bind is good, and if i dont have to replace bushings prematurely then great. i have done several swaps and they havent had problems, then some have had their bushings wear out and have severe steering play down the highway. all in all, it is up to the builder.