Limiting axle wrap idea for less than $10. - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum
 
Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum  

Go Back   Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum > Brand Specific Tech > Jeep - Hardcore Tech
Notices

Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-04-2005, 12:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
Moderator
 
geberhard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Member # 5861
Location: California
Posts: 8,605
Limiting axle wrap idea for less than $10.

Limiting axle wrap idea for less than $10.


Ok, from recent thread, (/forum/jeep-hardcore-tech/332171-cant-friggen-find.html) about using tractor links to limit axle wrap, I started thinking about another way, which would utilize chains, or steel cable, or limiting strap to limit axle wrap, and pinion angle movement.

Not sure if this woud work, but the theory seems right, what do you guys think?




Basically on each side of rear axle utilize a chain in the front and rear, over springs, limiting axle torsion. They should not limit axle flex, since the length between the front and center (A-B), and center and rear (C-B) does not change, so teh chain should allow the drop without problems. Teh chain tension could be adjusted using some type of stud with a hole in head and nut like O====

For background the pinion angle would pull up when torque is applied to the rig moving forward (opposite force).

Reasons to look into this approach:

1- Really easy and cheap to make (about ten bucks in chain and parts)
2- Seems to eliminate\avoid axle wrap
3- light
4- less stuff to bang around on rocks

So flame away, but what do you think?

From page two, but here is the setup in place, and worked out great to help minimize wrap. Again, it is not a 100% anti-wrap solution, but a very easy way to help reduce wrap, and can be built very easy for about $10 , Also light, and does not limit flex


Last edited by geberhard; 04-10-2006 at 11:16 AM.
geberhard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 12:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
Moderator
 
geberhard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Member # 5861
Location: California
Posts: 8,605
This is the pic of the tractor bar link for comparison. Instead of the tractor link, the use of two chains (front and rear), could provide a similar solution.


** reduced pic size**

Last edited by geberhard; 03-04-2005 at 04:27 PM.
geberhard is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 03-04-2005, 01:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Member # 11998
Location: Michifornia
Posts: 4,019
Send a message via AIM to BrettM
clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink clink




that's the sound of you going down the trail, besides that it sounds pretty good. maybe a cable would be better.
__________________
awshifting.com
awshifting@gmail.com
BrettM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 01:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
Moderator
 
geberhard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Member # 5861
Location: California
Posts: 8,605
Brett, LOL , I can even attach some cow bells I would use a hose heated and heat wrapped around the chain, so less clink and less rust

Gui
geberhard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 01:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
87JeepWrangler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Member # 13959
Location: Pa
Posts: 3,178
Send a message via AIM to 87JeepWrangler
the theory behind it sounds good. i like the one you have pictured tho.
__________________
rob

[URL="http://www.tr-motorsports.com"]TR Motorsports #108[/URL]
87JeepWrangler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 01:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
Hvy_Chevy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Member # 14094
Location: Maine
Posts: 4,647
Send a message via AIM to Hvy_Chevy
holy big picture chainman
__________________
Size does matter.
Leave the Zukes to those who really understand.
Hvy_Chevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 01:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
CSP
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Member # 1533
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 2,903
I don't see how you can figure that the lenght wouldn't change as the springs compress. If they didn't change we wouldn't need shackles at one end.
CSP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 02:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
ItsaCJ6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Member # 6340
Location: Back in the woods
Posts: 3,926
Blog Entries: 11
Droop would be severly limited, since the force reduction will only work if the chains are tight.

I would think a shock would be a better choice, though it might not elimiate all spring wrap.
__________________
Marc

In what appears to have been an understatement, the plant operator described the situation at the Number 4 reactor as "not so good."

Super conversion calculator website

Love and kisses, Zaphod..
ItsaCJ6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 03:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Member # 11998
Location: Michifornia
Posts: 4,019
Send a message via AIM to BrettM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsaCJ6
Droop would be severly limited, since the force reduction will only work if the chains are tight.

I would think a shock would be a better choice, though it might not elimiate all spring wrap.
a very very stiff shock. anybody got ideas?
__________________
awshifting.com
awshifting@gmail.com
BrettM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 04:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Member # 14731
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 462
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettM
a very very stiff shock. anybody got ideas?

Yeah, Rough Country has some stiff shocks J/K, their springs were nice, but the shocks left a little to be desired, but for the $$ and I was a broke college kid, it was a good deal.
Road Head is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 04:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Member # 28566
Posts: 671
That setup would actually rotate the axle with spring compression and droop.
A good ol' ladder bar is probably still the cleanest setup.
LilRocky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 04:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
Moderator
 
geberhard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Member # 5861
Location: California
Posts: 8,605
What about if the rear chain is actually wrapped by the leaf? The distance should not change at all at flex. Like this:

I think I will get some chain, cut it up and see if it would work



Gui
geberhard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 06:41 PM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Member # 62
Location: Omaha NE
Posts: 5,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by geberhard
What about if the rear chain is actually wrapped by the leaf? The distance should not change at all at flex. Like this:

I think I will get some chain, cut it up and see if it would work


Gui
I think this setup would be a better option.. I don't think the rear chain would limit droop however it would likely limit compression. I think the problem with the chain idea is to follow the arc as closely as possible the rear chain would need to slop down as it goes towards the rear of the vehicle.
__________________
Jeff Neves

Last edited by NE-RokToy; 03-04-2005 at 06:43 PM.
NE-RokToy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 07:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Member # 9513
Location: martinez,ca.
Posts: 115
While you boys figure this out I'm going wheelin
__________________
what I used to drive---63 CJ5 350 SM465 D18 Warn O.D. 5:38s D30 &D44 Detroits,
v8cjmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005, 08:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Member # 25424
Location: Oak Ridge, Tn
Posts: 94
Just use a track bar and a shackle and forget this crap, is your time not worth anything?
__________________
When your down to one wheel drive pull the cable.........or back up and give it one more try!
SEEJAY7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 12:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Member # 20592
Location: Mobile, AL
Posts: 1,258
Send a message via AIM to gumbojeepyj Send a message via Yahoo to gumbojeepyj
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEEJAY7
Just use a track bar and a shackle and forget this crap, is your time not worth anything?
this sport grows and progesses by people thinking outside the box.

granted i think a regular ladder type bar is the most effective way short of going 4 link to eliminate axle wrap, but i admire his willingness to try something different.
__________________
Blake
http://www.lockitupoffroad.net
gumbojeepyj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 05:35 AM   #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
sodaboyYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Member # 17421
Location: Milwaukee's meat packing district
Posts: 1,162
Send a message via Yahoo to sodaboyYJ
Don't bother with the chain on the rear of the spring. The only one that's gonna do anything positive is the one forward of the axle.

McMaster-Car has a sleeve, used to protect hydro hoses, to cover the chain to stop the clinking.
__________________
'93 YJ, 5.0/C6/Atlas 4sp/ 38.5 SX's...D60's F&R with ARB's on coils
sodaboyYJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 12:02 PM   #18 (permalink)
Zeus of the Sluice
 
ItsaCJ6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Member # 6340
Location: Back in the woods
Posts: 3,926
Blog Entries: 11
The "C" chain in your second drawing is doing nothing. since as the axle wraps the spring in the front sees the most twist.


The "C" chain does not restrict the bottom of the axle moving forward since the whole shackle moves with it. This still allows the axle to pivot at "B"

I would agree with SodaboyYJ just run the front chain and see how bad it is.
__________________
Marc

In what appears to have been an understatement, the plant operator described the situation at the Number 4 reactor as "not so good."

Super conversion calculator website

Love and kisses, Zaphod..
ItsaCJ6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 01:39 PM   #19 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Member # 41131
Posts: 62
I have recently used the technique used in JP mag (insert flaming here...LOL) by adding a leaf on TOP of the main leaf. It needs to be the same length as the main leaf.
We recently put a D-60 into the rear of an XJ and did this. This is wtih almost 8" of lift, 36" tires and...ZERO...I repeat ZERO axle wrap and flex was not hindered at all.

I am in the middle of an MJ buildup (my own rig) and used the stock rear leaf packs SOA and added a leaf to the top.
Brett you'll like this...We're doing the front leaf conversion with 7 leaf waggy springs with an extra waggy long leaf in the pack and then a leaf over the main leaf for axle wrap. If it works as well as it does on the XJ it is a VERY cheap and easy solution to axle wrap.
043500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 04:41 PM   #20 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Member # 22819
Location: Michigan
Posts: 324
Got some pics of that?
__________________
87 Sami
DD Chevy....
jlake1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 05:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Member # 41131
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlake1
Got some pics of that?
Pics of...???
043500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 06:12 PM   #22 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Member # 22819
Location: Michigan
Posts: 324
The leaf on top of the main leaf to limit axle wrap. I guess I was just assuming it couldn't be as simple as it sounded....
__________________
87 Sami
DD Chevy....
jlake1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 06:48 PM   #23 (permalink)
Registered User
 
fubar73cj5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Member # 31688
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 629
Quote:
Originally Posted by 043500
I have recently used the technique used in JP mag (insert flaming here...LOL) by adding a leaf on TOP of the main leaf. It needs to be the same length as the main leaf.
We recently put a D-60 into the rear of an XJ and did this. This is wtih almost 8" of lift, 36" tires and...ZERO...I repeat ZERO axle wrap and flex was not hindered at all.

I am in the middle of an MJ buildup (my own rig) and used the stock rear leaf packs SOA and added a leaf to the top.
Brett you'll like this...We're doing the front leaf conversion with 7 leaf waggy springs with an extra waggy long leaf in the pack and then a leaf over the main leaf for axle wrap. If it works as well as it does on the XJ it is a VERY cheap and easy solution to axle wrap.
Wouldn't this hinder droop considerably? Did you run your set up without the added leaf on top before and see if flex was really effected? Sorry, I don't get JP
fubar73cj5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 07:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Member # 20592
Location: Mobile, AL
Posts: 1,258
Send a message via AIM to gumbojeepyj Send a message via Yahoo to gumbojeepyj
absolutely 100% sure that adding a spring on top will not reduce axle wrap to ZERO. even teh beefiest spring packs have a bit of axle wrap. dont believe me? strap a vid cam under your junk pointed at teh rear pinion and video yourself driving.
__________________
Blake
http://www.lockitupoffroad.net
gumbojeepyj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2005, 07:27 PM   #25 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Member # 15049
Location: COLORADO
Posts: 1,734
also, say goodbye to up travel...
__________________
1990 V10 Blazer
sw99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.