Anybody got a 241 in a YJ?

[DanTheMan]

Trying to figure out how to mount my shift linkage, and am really pressed for ideas. The 241 is out of a '95 Z-71 Chevy Silverado (drivers drop) and the shifter was incorporated into the floor board.

The shift linkage from the 231 i pulled outta my jeep was attached to the tranny which is gone. Anybody got any pics or ideas for what im trying to do.

I really didnt want to cut up my floorboard and try to mount the shifter out of the truck in my jeep unless i absolutley had to. Someone with some experience please give me your ideas. Thanks.

[rticul8_94yj]

Not sure if this will help but It may give you some ideas

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/kit_sk2x.htm

[DanTheMan]

rticul8 - Thanks for the link, not sure if that will work on my application, but im gonna get in contact with them. They are very helpful, thats were i got my radiator and fan from. Nice folks.


Anyone else got any info or ideas.

[Go_Vols]

hmmm....I'm no expert, but a 241....driver's drop....out of a Chevy? Are you sure?

Also, and this is NOT an attempt at a flame...but why go to the hassle of installing a 241? Same gear reduction...better strenght?? Curious...

[mbryson]

Originally Posted by Go_Vols

hmmm....I'm no expert, but a 241....driver's drop....out of a Chevy? Are you sure?

Also, and this is NOT an attempt at a flame...but why go to the hassle of installing a 241? Same gear reduction...better strenght?? Curious...

Yeah, the 241s "swung both ways"......They are a fairly tough case, but I found mine too long to use when I could adapt a D300 (Novak) for about the cost of an SYE for the 241.

[DanTheMan]

Went with the 241 b/c it was already attached to the 4L60E. Im sure its stonger than the 231 i pulled out, its just bigger. I put on a JB Conversions Super Shorty SYE which chopped off 9" from the original shaft.

The 241 came in all chevy ifs rigs from 88-98. Not sure whats in them now.

I figure i saved some cash by not having to find a Dana 300 and then flip it and then SYE it.

Thanks for the replys.

[mbryson]

Originally Posted by DanTheMan

...........The 241 came in all chevy ifs rigs from 88-98. Not sure whats in them now. .........

.......and attached to '89 (maybe older than that)-'91 Sub/Blazers for pass. drop.

Originally Posted by DanTheMan

..........I figure i saved some cash by not having to find a Dana 300 and then flip it and then SYE it...........

SYE the D300??? You would need a flip kit or a passenger drop axle, but I've not seen a slip yoke D300 (they might exist?)..............(I took the path of least resistance and am using a Chevy 60 with my D300)

[TexasBlake]

Why not put the planetary assembly, input shaft, chain, sprokets, etc in your NP231?

[HEEPJEEP]

Probably because it would be faster and easier to fab up shifting linkage than swap all that stuff.... Plus he already purchased and installed the 241 SYE...

Anyway that you can run some sort of cable shifter to it? Maybe find an old boat or something with the throttle/shifting unit and run those cables? They are beef in both compression and tension, would give you the shifter, all you would have ot do is set up a tab/bracket to hardmount the t-case end of the cable. Just a thougt...

Personally I would try to not mount a mechanical system with levers and rods, etc off the body or frame. I would either go with one mounted off your tranny or t-case or do the cable route I metioned, that way as you drive train torques, or your body shifts/flexes it doesn't mess it up.

[TexasBlake]

Originally Posted by HEEPJEEP

Probably because it would be faster and easier to fab up shifting linkage than swap all that stuff.... Plus he already purchased and installed the 241 SYE...

Have you ever pulled apart a NP231/NP241?

It takes longer to remove it from the vehicle than tear it completly apart and put it back together.

But whatever way he chooses.

I think a cable shifter would be hard to make, considering it turns sideways during the shift pattern.

[Thad]

This might be a dumb-ass question, but will the internals from a 241 fit in a 231 case? and does it matter if it's pass. or driver drop?

[DanTheMan]

.......and attached to '89 (maybe older than that)-'91 Sub/Blazers for pass. drop.

If you notice in my sig, everything out of a '95 chevy

SYE the D300??? You would need a flip kit or a passenger drop axle, but I've not seen a slip yoke D300 (they might exist?)..............(I took the path of least resistance and am using a Chevy 60 with my D300)

Thats great that it worked for your application, but in my case i already had a HP44 built up, so there is no reason to swap axles again for a pass. drop.

Why not put the planetary assembly, input shaft, chain, sprokets, etc in your NP231?

Easy, AA wants almost $450 bucks for an adapter to my 231. This t-case already bolted up. And the linkage for the 231 was attached to my ax-5, which is nothing like my 4L60E. So i wouldnt gain anything.


HEEPJEEP - Thats an interesting idea. Maybe its a start and something i can build off of. Huh, Cable, nice.

[Root Moose]

Did you ever contact Novak about their shifter?

I was just looking at the PDF from their site - it's pretty simple - can you modify the anchor bracket to work?

r@m

[mbryson]

Originally Posted by DanTheMan

.....Thats great that it worked for your application, but in my case i already had a HP44 built up, so there is no reason to swap axles again for a pass. drop.............

That wasn't really my point, more of an aside. The major point I was trying to make was, I've never seen or heard of a D300 that was slip yoke (I've been wrong a few times before though).

[colorockxj]

Chain and sprokets from a 241 will not fit into a 231 case. The sprokets are larger than those in a 231 and the case around the front output is too small for the sproket to fit into. Planetaries fit. The main shaft from a 231 JB SYE kit is identical to the shaft from a 241D fixed yoke case. Rear output housing from a 241d fixed yoke case will not bolt up to a 231.

[lt1yj]

I'm running a Dodge/Chevy bastard 241 in my YJ.

I started out using a very modified 231 shifter assembly but had trouble keeping it in gear. If you run this setup you will need to swap the shifter plate on the 231 T case to the 241.

I now run a floor mounted shifter from an '88-'98 Chevy truck. It's super simple to install. I had to fab the linkage from the shifter to the T case which took all of 10 minutes with some heims and a piece of tube.

I had to clearance one of the stiffeners on the body and grind a little off the T case to get it to fit tightly. A little attention with persuader might be needed to the body also.

[HEEPJEEP]

I have two prefered pursuaders for this kind of work: metric BFH's and adjustable BFH's..

Blake what you talking about? If a rod can push or pull the lever and rotate it a cable can too. All the shifter plate is a arm that rotates, have the mount for the cable so it can pivot, hard mount it at the correct angle so it's throw can access all gears and be done.

Could be easier/faster doing as lt1yj has done though, check out the options I guess.

[bigdude]

Originally Posted by TexasBlake

Why not put the planetary assembly, input shaft, chain, sprokets, etc in your NP231?

Because he asked about putting a 241 into his YJ- that's why.....

I have one in my buggy behind my 700r4. I just took a piece of stainless tube, bent it to clear my seat/cage, and welded it to the slotted piece of the t-case. Then I notched my tranny tunnel to allow for the throw. No linkage, no worries. Pretty sure you could do the same with a tub if you weren't afraid to slot it.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Root Moose

Did you ever contact Novak about their shifter?

Yeah, and as soon as i told the guy what i was trying to do, he said it wouldnt work b/c the cases are different sizes. It's only made for jeep t-cases.
I guess i could buy it and modify it, but i'd rather save the cash and build my own if i cant just bolt it up.



LT1YJ, BigDude - You guys got any pics by chance?

BigDude - Any problems with a fixed shifter that can't compensate for the body twisting or flexing a little different from the frame? The shifter doesn't hit the body at all under flex?

[bigdude]

Originally Posted by DanTheMan

BigDude - Any problems with a fixed shifter that can't compensate for the body twisting or flexing a little different from the frame? The shifter doesn't hit the body at all under flex?

My chassis has something like 20 connection points to the stock framerails so it doesn't twist much My trannel tunnel is panelled on a tube frame tied to the chassis with 1/8" aluminum. I think I used a 3/4" diameter stainless and slotted to 1". No contact problems to date.

[lt1yj]

Sorry, no pics and I won't be near my Jeep for a while. It's in storage about 100 miles from my house.

I did see the same setup in another Jeep in one of the mags. It was in a lime green Jeep/Hummer thing a guy in Michigan built. Maybe 5 years ago.

[Root Moose]

Originally Posted by DanTheMan

Yeah, and as soon as i told the guy what i was trying to do, he said it wouldnt work b/c the cases are different sizes. It's only made for jeep t-cases.
I guess i could buy it and modify it, but i'd rather save the cash and build my own if i cant just bolt it up.

Ok, thanks.

FWIW, looking at the PDF file there is really not a lot to the kit. For the ~$120 you are paying you are basically paying for the bling shift stalk itself. Probably worth it for a bolt on deal but easy enough to dupe as well.

r@m