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Old 08-19-2005, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Clayton Long Arm suspension

Is anyone familiar with the Claytom Hard Arm - Long Arm suspension system ? If so, any info good or bad would be appreciated. How does it compare to Full Traction, Teraflex and or Rubicon Express Long Arm systems ?

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a guy i know has it on his grand and he really likes it. its got a lifetime warranty . you break it or bend it they replace/fix it for free
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I've got a better grasp on it in the past year running it in competition. And you asked for a comparision between Clayton's and the others...well there isn't one. Clayton's arms are the best around, and if you do manage to bend an arm (you won't) its replaced...free. Customer service is exceptional. I abuse mine as rock sliders every weekend and they are still holding up. Its no bolt on lift though. Weld and cutting is required. And if your really serious, get the high clearance brackets. They are like night and day in the rocks.

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Clayton's is cool... what jeep is this going on?
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Old 08-19-2005, 06:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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thanks for the info will call them on Monday.

99 TJ Sahara, D44's, 35" Swampers SSR, ARB's F and R, currently Teraflex short arms
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Clayton's stuff is AWESOME. We have installed a few of their lifts on client vehicles and everyone has loved the final result. Highest quality parts and incredible performance offroad. This stuff is beefy. You break it...they replace it. Call Clayton or Adam.

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thanks for the info will call them on Monday.

99 TJ Sahara, D44's, 35" Swampers SSR, ARB's F and R, currently Teraflex short arms
see if they can get you the double-triagulation setup
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Clayton is the best I know of. I copied thier design and built mine your like thiers but with longer arms for larger lift. Its asome and very strong. Anybody have pictures of the double-triagular setup installed?
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I just bought the RE triangulated 4 link conversion and like what I see and how it was built. I havent wheeled it yet, but they were real helpful with the install details. My only thing is, I personally like the look of the round tubing.
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I have had Claytons on my heep for over 4 years now and I have not had any problems with it. Customer Service is on a whole diffrent level than what you would get from RE or any of the others out there.


oh yea... and the square arms are better

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I just bought the RE triangulated 4 link conversion and like what I see and how it was built. I havent wheeled it yet, but they were real helpful with the install details. My only thing is, I am not too big on the square tubing they use.
whats your reasoning behind this?
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whats your reasoning behind this?
Maybe I should have re phrased that. Now that I read it it doesnt sound like what I meant to say.
No real reasoning. Just personal preference, I like the look of the round tubing better. I am NOT saying anything bad about it. That is why I bought it, because they build great quality stuff. I love my 4 link conversion I bought!
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Clayton is the best I know of. I copied thier design and built mine your like thiers but with longer arms for larger lift. Its asome and very strong. Anybody have pictures of the double-triagular setup installed?
Here is my rear I just put in with the Clayton RE triangulated conversion. Not the double triangulated I know.



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twistedtj - what setup are you runinng in the front also shocks ? Maybe I'll go your way. Dont know yet.
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twistedtj - what setup are you runinng in the front also shocks ? Maybe I'll go your way. Dont know yet.
I have the Rubicon Express 4.5" long arm kit with OME shocks in the front. I just swapped out the 8.8 for a 9" so I thought to get rid of the track bar and go with the Clayton Conversion. You use your RE kit, but just swap out the upper rear arms with the new angled arms. Remove the track bar, and install a brace on the rear with the tabs on it. I like the setup. As for the rear shocks. I am going to do the Blain meathod with the Ford shock mounts. Where you cut the frame in a C and install the Ford shock mounts. I just have to find out what shocks I am going to run in the rear. My OME have 10" of travel and may need more than that.

But since you are looking for a complete kit, I would buy the whole Clayton kit. You wont find a bad word about them. My RE front lower control arm is bent at the threaded section!!
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Clayton's stuff is top notch. So is the customer service. Here is an install right up I did a while back on Their stuff.

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Right now I have 4" coiis in front w/ACOS 2" and 6" coils in rear w/1.75" spacer. I have plently of flex right now. RTI (which means nothing on the trail) of over 1300. The problem is the rear upper control arm brackets are stock and hard to weld. Just had one fall off. thinking of haveing someone make me some. I have no sway bar in the front or rear (cant have one in the front with setup. No parking brake , line lock. Short Arms.

This rig is beefed up real well. I assume with long arms I get a better COG ?

I dont want to break down on trail that is why looking at CLAYTON

By the way I only know buzz words no hands on knowledge. Just bought the rig the way it is. Wish I could say I built it !!!

Any comments welcome.

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Hey we all have to start somewhere, right. Mine was stock when I bought it after 4 lift kits of going bigger each time, and now that it is only a trail rig I am always making changes to make it even better. The next mod will be lenthening the rear out. All the mods I have done my self, just taught myself as I went along. I have always been a fix it kinda guy.

As for the long arms, you will notice a HUGE difference. I too do not have front or rear sway bars, but I like the way mine handles. That will be one of the best things you can do.

6" coils with 1.75" spacer? That seems too tall. Many people that have the 5.5" RE springs which are actually 7" lift go down to the RE 4.5" which are actually about 6" tall and that seems to be more than enough with the right setup. What size tires you got? Any pics?
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twisted tj - I've emailed you some pics
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I am running clayton with 8in skyjacker coils in front and air shocks in rear its and asome ride with tons of flex.
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I do not yet have my arms installed but I have the Clayton subframe and brackets all welded in.

THeir customer service is 2nd to none, these guys are great.
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Thanks to all for your input
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Have two buddy's running the clayton long arms, straight up beef, definatly worth the coin to pay someone for install unless you have those welding and cutting skills
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Have two buddy's running the clayton long arms, straight up beef, definatly worth the coin to pay someone for install unless you have those welding and cutting skills
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For everyone running the Claytons... Did you install it yourself or have a shop do it? If done yourself, can a first timer do the work (with required cutting and welding skills...) ?

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If you know alittle about suspenion and can cut and weld good you can do it. Dont pay a shop to do it spend that money on better welder or something. Clayton is very good about if you have a question finding time to explain it to you. Do it yourself you and a buddy one weekend.
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