POR, Incrementalism, whining

[IndyCJ]

Sorry for the ramblings, here goes.

Seems to be a lot of whining and crying goin on here dudes, people with thin skins, people getting pissy, newbies not taking their "lumps".

Has anyone read the Bylaws of the Pirate4x4 club? If you haven't, here's an excerpt.

3. Club initiation runs will be held on July 4th weekend. This run is the only initiation run, and is the only time prospects can be inducted into the club.

a. Prospects will be required to complete a determined initiation process, that will be set forth by fellow Pirates. Currently, the initiation process involves driving through Little Sluice blindfolded with the spotter of your choice.

BLINDFOLDED <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

For those that have done the old "you call yourself hardcore?" and "why can't I run D44's, it works for me" responses. Please remember one thing, this is PIRATE4x4's website. If the question is "What axle should I run in my YJ,TJ,XJ,FJ,EB,CJ,ZJ,K5,IH" and the response is (of course) a Dana60, don't bitch, don't whine, don't say "Well, I think a 60 is overkill" just listen and learn. If you don't like it, leave. There are other BBS's on the internet that will think that since you have a D44 front axle, you are a GOD! Not here.

A D44 shaft is still a D44 shaft, regardless of the spline count.

You can get Dana60 rears , from a junkyard, with 35 spline, 1.5 inch axles for 200 bucks. I know, I have one. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> (And no, I'm not going to share what vehicle, find that out yourself. )

I can build a D60, 35 spline, rear, 1.5" axles, with a spool and 4.56 gears, for 600 dollars. Get it? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Next Subject: Incrementalism

Anyone ever heard the old "DO it right, or don't do it at all" saying? I'm guessing not. If you don't have money for that axle, tranny, t-case, suspension swap right now. Wait, but don't blow your wad on stuff to "get you by" and then come on POR and expect answers to "pat you on the head" and say "There there, just put another 50 bucks into it and it'll get you by". Won't happen, not here anyway.

But that's the beauty of POR, the "College" level of Jeeping BBS's. I'm not hardcore in the least, and I KNOW that if I did live out in Cali, I wouldn't join POR, just because I like to see where I'm going when I'm wheelin. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> But my point is this, it seems like since March when I first joined the POR ranks, there were only 3657 members (my member number I believe), and now there are over 6000! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">


So, quit your whining, search thoroughly before you ask a question, and above all else, wear a thick skin (and have a flame proof suit next to you at all times).

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(Sorry to sound like a moderator, the reason I started posting at POR was it's reputable "hardcoreness", which, sad to say, seems to be overrun by newbie whining)


FLAME SUIT IS ON!

Out

[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: UtahYJ ]

[HighHooder]

like he said

[mike]

Dude, I think you'd be suprised by the people around here who actually run 44's and dont bitch about em <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> I also think that the automatic "60's 60's 60's" thing didnt start heavily until Massey a couple years back. And to be honest there are rigs that'll run just fine with 44's. Now go out and get me a FRONT D60 with 35 splines for $200. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[IndyCJ]

Ha. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

It says rear, bonehead. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[mike]

Originally posted by UtahYJ:
<STRONG>Ha. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

It says rear, bonehead. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I know it does... thats why I capped the FRONT <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> I can pick up cheap rears all day long.. it's the fawkin front I want <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">

[IndyCJ]

Sorry, thought the caps were for effect, not silliness. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I'll get right on that sire. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

How many would you like? (Do they even make one? Give me a hint what to look for and I might have to find one for myself. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> )

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[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: UtahYJ ]

Originally posted by UtahYJ:
[QB](Sorry to sound like a moderator, the reason I started posting at POR was it's reputable "hardcoreness", which, sad to say, seems to be overrun by newbie whining)

[QB]

Wouldn't you call what you are doing right now "whining"?? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">. I'm tired of all this "hardcore" talk. If you don't like the subject of a post, don't read it, or read it for entertainment value and amusement <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">.

[H8monday]

Utah YJ,
Im too lazy errr I mean too busy to do a search, can you E mail me with the vehicle you got your D60 from. I need to seriously start looking. I need to swap it next months, to have it in for Frostoberfest.
Now all you other lazy newbies, just go find out on your own. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[mike]

Originally posted by H8monday:
<STRONG>Utah YJ,
Im too lazy errr I mean too busy to do a search, can you E mail me with the vehicle you got your D60 from. I need to seriously start looking. I need to swap it next months, to have it in for Frostoberfest.
Now all you other lazy newbies, just go find out on your own. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

newbie? no. lazy? sometimes <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[IndyCJ]

H8, I'll give you a hint. Go to the bookstore and look at the Jeep4x4 Performance Handbook. It's in there. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Wouldn't you call what you are doing right now "whining"?? . I'm tired of all this "hardcore" talk. If you don't like the subject of a post, don't read it, or read it for entertainment value and amusement .

Yup. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> I read quite a few of them, but they're everywhere, I can't read them all. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> And I consider this a "hardcore" board, college level. If I wanted to know how the Super44 kit is, I wouldn't ask here, I'd ask Here!!

I know the dumb questions do get old, but if I know the answer, I usually reply. But that's probably because I can only answer the dumbest questions <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[H8monday]

Im trying to tell you I dont have time to go to the book store. just gimme the answers, dont make me have to call Gearman.

And all you newbies, quit you whinin.

Comeawn Utah, you can see Im supportin your campaign here, now kick down the info, before you make me cry. <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">

[IndyCJ]

H8,

Just throw a D35C in there! (Don't get a non-c-clip, they suck)

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I'll post the info when I go home, I want to make sure that I have all the info for ya, cause there's a couple of different option.

[Wagon]

j-trucks with rear 60s and a 5x5.5 bolt pattern have 1.5" 35 spliners

[H8monday]

Originally posted by UtahYJ:
<STRONG>H8,

Just throw a D35C in there! (Don't get a non-c-clip, they suck)

<IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

I'll post the info when I go home, I want to make sure that I have all the info for ya, cause there's a couple of different option.</STRONG>

Thanks I appreciate it,
Now about that D35 what would be the best vehicle to get that out of. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[IndyCJ]

Wagon's exactly right! I don't have a prize, so a <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> will have to suffice.

I got mine out of a Full size Cherokee something or other though. Not exactly sure what year, I look it up.

Out

[H8monday]

Originally posted by Wagon:
<STRONG>j-trucks with rear 60s and a 5x5.5 bolt pattern have 1.5" 35 spliners</STRONG>

I need to probably find something a little more common. Im living in Pirate land now, and every Massey follower within 100 miles has probably scooped up the easy swaps.
I also dont care about staying with the 5 lug pattern, Ill go to 8 lug if they are more available.
something about 66" or less, mounting surface to mounting surface would be great, but Im flexable.

[herzog]

Well said. I've been browsing this board for quite sometime now. I don't ask much cause I search first.

I've found this site very usefull and I've always found what I'm looking for, as opposed to the other sites out there.

[IndyCJ]

Sucks dude.

I just "turned down" a full floater, 8 lug, D60, that was 65" WMS to WMS for 100 bucks


Sorry man, I'd ship it, but it probably weighs about 50000000 lbs. (Yea, it's that damn heavy! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> )

[mike]

Originally posted by H8monday:
<STRONG>I need to probably find something a little more common. Im living in Pirate land now, and every Massey follower within 100 miles has probably scooped up the easy swaps.
I also dont care about staying with the 5 lug pattern, Ill go to 8 lug if they are more available.
something about 66" or less, mounting surface to mounting surface would be great, but Im flexable.</STRONG>

You just need to go to different pick n pulls.. I've seen a TON of 60's at the one I go to.. I just havent had the $$ to scoup em up yet <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[oldjeep]

Originally posted by mike:
<STRONG>You just need to go to different pick n pulls.. I've seen a TON of 60's at the one I go to.. I just havent had the $$ to scoup em up yet <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

There's one in the local paper (a D60 rear) for $150 today. But I still fail to see what use a D60 is in a 231 powered flatfender. But then i'm more of a finese driver than a slam the pedal to the floor type.

[Monkeyboy]

I've got my eyes on a 1970 f-250 with an np435 and a full floating 60 for 300 bucks
The truck runs too <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Those parts sound like the beautiful beggining of a rock buggy.

Just need to convince Sara that it would be cool to have

[mike]

Originally posted by old jeep:
<STRONG>There's one in the local paper (a D60 rear) for $150 today. But I still fail to see what use a D60 is in a 231 powered flatfender. But then i'm more of a finese driver than a slam the pedal to the floor type.</STRONG>

Chuck, I have 44's in a 231 powered early 5.. with low gears and hammer on it.. and it dont break much either <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> gotta love the light GVW.. would I like 60's? hell yea... then I can stretch this thing and take the kids.. and run 42's <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[mike]

Originally posted by Rocktoad:
<STRONG>I've got my eyes on a 1970 f-250 with an np435 and a full floating 60 for 300 bucks
The truck runs too <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Those parts sound like the beautiful beggining of a rock buggy.

Just need to convince Sara that it would be cool to have</STRONG>

I thought you were going to tow with it? besides you dont need the rear axle.. I do though! <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[Monkeyboy]

Mike I think you and I are the only people that know were to get a ford 9" front housing for 37 dollars with spindles for another 10 buck a piece.

thats secret P and P speak for

ford 9" front housing= bare full width dana44

spindles= extra axles inner and outers