CJ10-A Build

[TAWL_BOY]

I haven't got the tub back yet. But when I get the chance to get it to Houston we'll work somethin' out.

[TAWL_BOY]

JC Whitney has stock XJ springs for $104 a spring.

Quadratech has standard duty XJ springs for $75 a spring and heavy duty for $99 a spring.

I found some 2.5" Superlift XJ springs for $189 for the pair.
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I'm thinkin' I oughta go with the 2.5" lift springs to clear the 42s with no issues.

Any thoughts?

[dustyglyde]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

JC Whitney has stock XJ springs for $104 a spring.

Quadratech has standard duty XJ springs for $75 a spring and heavy duty for $99 a spring.

I found some 2.5" Superlift XJ springs for $189 for the pair.
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I'm thinkin' I oughta go with the 2.5" lift springs to clear the 42s with no issues.

Any thoughts?

I think you will need the 2.5 lift and you are probably going to have to do some cutting to clear 42's. I'm running 39.5's with a fair ammount of trimming and no lift. It rubbs just a little at full compression.

[TAWL_BOY]

Remember. I'll be running tube fender and a comp cut, so that'll give me several inches more room than your setup.

Your running the stock leafs flipped right?
I'm not sure the height you get from an xj spring compared to the stock ones.

[TAWL_BOY]

Here's an up close pic of the NP198. Already has a fixed yoke.



Here are the parts so it can be shifted.

If I get bored I'll go ahead and convert it for the other Jeep. I'm not sure if there would be a big interest in sellin' it.

I'll be puttin' the steering box up for sale, but I need to get my ball joint separator over here.
Oh...and figure out the application. Is it a Waggy steering box?


Would any part of the straight tube 8 lug front valuable to anyone or should I just bring it on my scrap run?

[jeepinwilson]

The steering gear box is a Wagoneer, but most Saginaw Jeep boxes will bolt up with a little work. The front steering on the straight axle uses flat top knuckles on both sides, so it should be worth something to someone that has a D44, and the brakes and hubs will work on your rear for a disc swap too.

[TAWL_BOY]

I'll be goin' full hydro. I just wanted to know how to post the steering box.

The front hubs will fit on the 70 spindles?

[dustyglyde]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

Remember. I'll be running tube fender and a comp cut, so that'll give me several inches more room than your setup.

Your running the stock leafs flipped right?
I'm not sure the height you get from an xj spring compared to the stock ones.

Yeah, you should have alot more clearance with tube fenders. I'm running the stock waggy leafs flipped. I have XJ springs in the rear and I added a leaf. I'd imagine in stock form they would sag pretty good under the weight of the motor. Might want to add a leaf to the pack.

[jeepinwilson]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

I'll be goin' full hydro. I just wanted to know how to post the steering box.

The front hubs will fit on the 70 spindles?

No the hubs will not, but the rotors will work in place of the drums as well as the calipers with most disc brakets out there. You might have to open the rotor pilot or turn down the hub flange a little. But most of the disc brake swaps on the D70's vary with the hubs.

[TAWL_BOY]

Yeah. I want the least amount of lift to have good clearance with tube fenders. I'd like a little up travel too. I want to get the front set up first so I can design the rear to have optimum geometry at ride height.

I wonder if the superlift springs with 2.5" of lift would handle the weight OK or if I'd be better off with stock waggy springs with an add-a-leaf.

If all else fails I could run a 1" zero rate up front for that extra little bit I might need.
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I started cuttin' up the extra Dana 70 last night. It didn't quite fit in my chop saw tightened up until I cut into it a little. I left a little extra on so I can have my friend with the all the maching equipment get everything true.

I'll need to order springs soon so I can set the pinion angle on the front axle before I weld it back up.

[BeatCJ]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

Would any part of the straight tube 8 lug front valuable to anyone or should I just bring it on my scrap run?

I was told that there are people out there that want them for 2 wheel drive Street Rod FSJ's. I suspect that may be Just A Little rare, though. Might try posting it up for sale and see if anyone bites. That's what I had planned to do when I got mine out from under it. Maybe on IFSJA, too.

[TAWL_BOY]

Stout tubes on the 70. Took me forever with the cheapo chop saw.

Sold the seats today. Didn't even have 'em listed. Somebody just PMed me.
More room to work and $40 added to the budget.

I pulled up the rubber floor mat and there was some scale. I bounded at it with a big screw driver and I found this one small rotted spot. Should be really easy to patch and then I'll Rhinoline the entire inside of the tub.

[TAWL_BOY]

These seem like the ideal springs. Old Man Emu Dakar XJ Leafs:
http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/dak...1a-p-8817.html

Says they're military wrapped. Only $109. I think that's for a pair.

[jeepinwilson]

The OME are nice springs but they are sold individually in most places, and I am almost certain that the $109 is an each price. I have a set of BDS XJ and they are kind of military wrapped that I am going to install this winter, they were only $105 each and they are nice springs.

[TAWL_BOY]

Well crap. Typically it will be listed singular(spring) if it is being sold individually.

It's still worth $218 or whatever if they solve the problems typically associated with with running XJ springs up front. Especially with diesel jeep.

I'm really trying to get the spring situation figure out soon. So I can set up the front end and then start figurin' out the rear.

[jscherb]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

...I pulled up the rubber floor mat and there was some scale. I bounded at it with a big screw driver and I found this one small rotted spot. Should be really easy to patch and then I'll Rhinoline the entire inside of the tub.

A suggestion - it looks like the rust runs over to the side of the tub, which means it is likely there is rust between the outer body sheet metal and the inside a-pillar, this is the source of the common rust-through that happens in front of the door openings and below the embossed Jeep logo. Might be worth poking around behind the a-pillar to check it out as long as you're doing all this work, it would be a shame to get it all done only to have rust-through show up there a year from now.

[Rusty4wd]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

Well crap. Typically it will be listed singular(spring) if it is being sold individually.

It's still worth $218 or whatever if they solve the problems typically associated with with running XJ springs up front. Especially with diesel jeep.

I'm really trying to get the spring situation figure out soon. So I can set up the front end and then start figurin' out the rear.

Your'e definitely going to need some kind of traction bar with those XJ springs. I ran them spring under in the rear of my 5 with double main leaves and still needed a traction bar. That was with a stockish 258 and only 36" Iroks.

[TAWL_BOY]

Originally Posted by jscherb

A suggestion - it looks like the rust runs over to the side of the tub, which means it is likely there is rust between the outer body sheet metal and the inside a-pillar, this is the source of the common rust-through that happens in front of the door openings and below the embossed Jeep logo. Might be worth poking around behind the a-pillar to check it out as long as you're doing all this work, it would be a shame to get it all done only to have rust-through show up there a year from now.

Thanks. I'll check that out.

[TAWL_BOY]

Are these flat tops? I don't have experience with 44s at all.

The hubs are spline for lock outs.

Spindle seems to be pressed into the caliper bracket or something.


It's pretty much a 4 wheel drive 44 without a diff.

[gavan]

naw, not flat tops. Some people said they "should be", but a good picture of a -10a dead front is hard to track down.

[jeepinwilson]

That's odd yours did not have flat tops, mine had them on both sides. The spindle and caliper mount are probably just siezed together.

[CSP]

Not flat tops. Google "Mr. N" for the definitive D44 page which will show what they look like.

Corrosion is probably holding the spindle and caliper mount together.

[TAWL_BOY]

maybe my other one does?

[TAWL_BOY]

Will the front shackles on this thing work ok with XJ leafs or should I make/buy some longer ones?

-or-
Should I do a shackle reversal?

I've got a ton of steel and plamsa, so any option will be no problem.

[anatram]

Originally Posted by TAWL_BOY

Will the front shackles on this thing work ok with XJ leafs or should I make/buy some longer ones?

-or-
Should I do a shackle reversal?

I've got a ton of steel and plamsa, so any option will be no problem.

Shackle reversal with leaf spring slider boxes, keep it low and put some big rubber on it.