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Old 10-04-2009, 07:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ive done a lot of searching and still confused about this..

In short I have and amc 360 with a t15o and a d20

I wanna go to a t18 and d300 but i don't want to have to mess with the input shafts and all the stuff. I want to bolt it up change the ds....

so what would be the best one even if it cost more. to just bolt on and go.
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Get a T-18 out of a CJ which is rare and will run you around $450 depending on the condition and buy the adapter from Advanced Adapters for the 300. Not the cheapest by far, but the easiest.
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even better do a dodge np435 swap which is very similar to the t18 and from what i've read is more beefy. bolts right up to a 360 block and buy an adapter from novak. i just did this swap behind my 4.0 and used novak's adapter for my t-case and have to say that novak has A+ customer service. i called them throughout the entire swap with any questions and they were always very polite and ready to help.

heres the adapter you want or your dana 300:

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/kit_433.htm

i think this swap is much cheaper and stronger than a T18. i rebuilt mine (which is rarely needed) and the total install for everything was just shy of $ 950 including the adapter.

below are some specs pulled from novak's website www.novak-adapt.com they have all the info you'd need.

also here is some swapping info for the 360 and transmission choices.

http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge...mall_block.htm


EDIT: also i know you don't wanna mess with input shafts and output shafts but it's extremely easy to rebuild these transmissions i have never even seen the inside of a transmission before i build this one and i rebuilt it in 6 hours. and also heres some suggested info again from novak's website about using a jeep T18.


Ford vs. Jeep T18's

"The Ford T18's are clearly the best conversion choices in that they are far more standardized, easier to find and often more affordable. Replacement parts (namely, gears and shafts) for the Ford T18 are easily less expensive. Many, if not most, of the Jeep specific gears are no longer produced, making them painfully problematic to own if anything ever goes wrong or if parts interchangeability is required for a specific, non-standard adaptation."
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so from np435 i need that 531 dollar adapter

but where do i find a np435? what did they come out of? what should i expect to pay for such things..so for the np435 all i have to buy is the trans and this adapter that goes to the d300 but it will bolt right up to the amc bell housing?

Also for the t18 what years have the 6.31:1 and what years have the 4.02:1
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I went with a Ford NP435 (wide ratio) and the AA setup to match my 300. Here's a site with more info on the 435's than you'll ever need to know.
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/np435.htm
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so from np435 i need that 531 dollar adapter

but where do i find a np435? what did they come out of? what should i expect to pay for such things..so for the np435 all i have to buy is the trans and this adapter that goes to the d300 but it will bolt right up to the amc bell housing?

Also for the t18 what years have the 6.31:1 and what years have the 4.02:1

i gave you the website like three times with several links to the very site i speak of. learn to do a little bit of research. add me to your bookmarks its a very good website with tons of information. yes the dodge np435 will bolt right up to your 318/360 block as well as your 4.0 (ford version only)with a t150/t176 bell-housing and cj-7 clutch and throw out bearing along with the 4 cylinder cj-7 slave clylinder. (click build thread below for more info)
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Get a T18 out of a Ford 2WD pickup....they are in the junk yard .You just have to know what you are looking for. Novak's knowledge base explains exactly what you want.....Then PM Performance Offroad center for a AA adapter price...hard to beat!.....Or call Novak direct , they can give you a better price if you tell then you're from Pirate!..The whole thing is not hard at all

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Get a T18 out of a Ford 2WD pickup....they are in the junk yard .You just have to know what you are looking for. Novak's knowledge base explains exactly what you want.....Then PM Performance Offroad center for a AA adapter price...hard to beat!.....Or call Novak direct , they can give you a better price if you tell then you're from Pirate!..The whole thing is not hard at all
This has been the way to go for years, in fact it is what I did and still have in my CJ. The NP435 and the T-18/T19 are very similar swaps, the reason to use the 2wd T-18 is that Novac's adapter is only 1 inch long. Also allows you to use a factory Jeep bell housing that came from a Jeep donor, one that had a T-176 tranny (correct bell pattern and tranny pattern for the Ford tranny. This is the shortest way to install at T-18 and a Dana 20.

If I were doing it again and money was not a huge issue NV4500 is what I would get and a Dana 300/atlas
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yes the dodge np435 will bolt right up to your 318/360
A 360 found in a CJ is an AMC 360 (as already stated by the OP), not Dodge/Mopar for starters.

He needs a Ford NP435, which will bolt up to his existing T150 bellhousing.

Dpaps you're also going to need driveshaft modifications since any of these transmissions are quite a bit longer than what you have. Going to the Dana 300 also makes things longer. The shortest combination is the T18/Dana 20. Consider this if you have a CJ5.
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A 360 found in a CJ is an AMC 360 (as already stated by the OP), not Dodge/Mopar for starters.

He needs a Ford NP435, which will bolt up to his existing T150 bellhousing.

Dpaps you're also going to need driveshaft modifications since any of these transmissions are quite a bit longer than what you have. Going to the Dana 300 also makes things longer. The shortest combination is the T18/Dana 20. Consider this if you have a CJ5.
this i already know as the same swap works in a 4.0 previously mentioned. but it doesn't help that the op hasn't even mentioned if this is a CJ YJ TJ etc. it could be a mopar 360(more common) in which case he'd want a dodge np 435. i think now would be the time for the OP to chime in on some more details
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it doesn't help that the op hasn't even mentioned if this is a CJ YJ TJ etc. it could be a mopar 360(more common) in which case he'd want a dodge np 435. i think now would be the time for the OP to chime in on some more details
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In short I have and amc 360 with a t15o and a d20
Original post sure sounds like a CJ to me. Mopar 360 is hardly "more common" than an AMC 360 when you're talking about Jeeps, especially when a T18 is being asked about.

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this is true but by me anyone i know with a 360 in there jeep is out of a durango. your probably right seeing as the OP cares not about cost but how quickly he can pay to have it bolted on instead of some research work etc etc. who knows who cares this thread is dead.
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He stated that he has an AMC 360 not a Dodge. I went with the T18 out of a J20 truck, since I streched the wheelbase on my CJ5 I left the long input shaft and ran it like that. My brother replaced his input shaft and did away with the spacer between the bell housing and the trans. A T18 out of a IH Scout ll will bolt to your Bell housing and came with a dana 300 t case ( good luck very rare, look for the square headlights 1 year only )

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A 360 found in a CJ is an AMC 360 (as already stated by the OP), not Dodge/Mopar for starters.

He needs a Ford NP435, which will bolt up to his existing T150 bellhousing.

Dpaps you're also going to need driveshaft modifications since any of these transmissions are quite a bit longer than what you have. Going to the Dana 300 also makes things longer. The shortest combination is the T18/Dana 20. Consider this if you have a CJ5.

Yah, I have a cj7 I know I'm going to have to shorten and lengthen the drive shafts. But My plan is to link the rear and stretch the rear the 3 inches.

I found on close to me but its from a ford bronco? I could get that and then get a adapter to a D300 and be done? right?

I juast worry about all these different short and long input shafts, Do you gain any advantage to having a long input shaft vs a short one? Or doe sit depend on your bell housing? Or Do you just have to change it anyway to fit the D300
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Since you didn't post this in the newbie section I'm going to tell you to search. The web is full of T18 info.

Since you have a T150 you can bolt in the Ford T18 without messing with the input. Get the right pilot bushing and you're done at the input end. The T18 will bolt to your existing bellhousing.

The output will have to be adapted whether you keep your Dana20 or go to a 300. The novak site has the info you need there.
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I just put a Ford T18 in a 82 CJ7 with the 4.2. Like everyone has said, you need that T-150 bellhousing. That bellhousing will not directly bolt up to the T-18 but it is very simple to make it bolt up to it. There should be two spots on the T-150 bellhousing that are pilot holes. They look like they are half way drilled through. Finishing drilling those holes, be sure it is the right size bit. Once that is done bolt the transmission to the bell housing. Now, using that same bit you will need to make two punch marks for the bottom holes. Put the bit in the other two holes of the transmission, be sure it is straight, and give it a love tap with a hammer. Unbolt the transmission and drill the holes. You're T-18 transmission is now connected to you're T-150 bell housing and will now bolt to you're 360.
Now for the clutch. Measure you're old clutch disk. Go to the store and get that same size but for a Ford pickup. If I remember right, the Ford disk is about 1/8" or 1/4" smaller.
Go to Novak, order their kit to bolt a D300 to a T-18 and get their bearing for the T-18 to 360. This new bearing simply slides inside the existing bearing that is already in the motor. It's a bit of a pain, I had some fun getting it in their. The kit to make the D300 fit a T-18 also comes with a new shaft for the T-18 that you will either need to install or have installed. I had mine professionally while having any other things replaced while it was open. Luckily my T-18 was in near perfect shape. It came out of an 1984 F-150.
Now simply bolt all of your stuff back together and enjoy. I was already using a D300 so my driveshafts bolted right back up. Between the transmission swap from a T-5 to a T-18 with the new adapter the length was near identical. In your case it should be the same since the T-150 is only .15" shorter than a T-5.

Good luck with the swap. It took me about two days but I also got everything all nice and sparkling new again.

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Now for the clutch. Measure you're old clutch disk. Go to the store and get that same size but for a Ford pickup.
That's totally unnecessary. The existing T150 clutch has the right size for the T18's input shaft. I would recommend a new one, but there's no need to use a Ford disc. He's keeping the AMC engine so all that's different is the Ford transmission and as stated, it has the same size input shaft as the existing T150. In your case it was required as the T5 has a larger input shaft (1-1/8" vs. 1-1/16").

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Between the transmission swap from a T-5 to a T-18 with the new adapter the length was near identical. In your case it should be the same since the T-150 is only .15" shorter than a T-5.
That T150 vs. T5 length difference of .15" doesn't include the factory adapter length to the D300, which is about 6", so they aren't even close. There's no adapter on the back side of a T150. I've done a lot of T150 to T18 swaps and there's a substantial difference in length even when you keep the Dana 20. The T18 is over 3" longer than a T150. Driveshaft mods are needed even when the D20 is used. The T18/Dana 300 adapter from Novak adds another 3" and I'm pretty sure that the D300 is longer than a D20, so driveshaft modifications are absolutely going to be necessary.

BTW, just about every T150 bellhousing I've used has already been drilled for the Ford pattern. Not all of them are and it sound like you had one that wasn't.

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I did the Ford T18, you get 6;32:1. Use the bell housing out of an 80's cj. It bolts right up, use the stock clutch, don't have to change input shaft. You will have to change output shaft and get the adapter.
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Hijack on: so to bolt a T-18 to a Jeep 4.0 just need a bellhousing out of a CJ then then the adapter to the transfercase? Correct? Hijack off
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Hijack on: so to bolt a T-18 to a Jeep 4.0 just need a bellhousing out of a CJ then then the adapter to the transfercase? Correct? Hijack off

and you need to machine the bellhousing for the crank position sensor
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bardenk1, could you tell me where you got the info that the 435 was beefier than a T18?

Just curious as I feel that I have read everything on novak's site and I was under the impresion the T18/19 and NP435s were pretty equal when it comes to streangth.

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