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mferrari · 12-13-2009, 04:55 PM

Figured I should post here so I can get some extra tips and pointers as I go along...

Decided to take my TJ and retire the body as well as most of the frame. Going to build it for a dual purpose trail rig but something that may also get my foot in the door with comps as well.

Here she sits right now:

Pile of tubing waiting to be bent up:

Axles. HP60 and 14 bolt. May get rid of the HP60 though in favor of a chevy 60 thats passenger drop.

This was idea number 1 for the start of the chassis, but I am still trying to decide how much of the frame I want to keep.

Rear suspension will be a double triangulated 4 link with air shocks. Front will be a 3 link w/ pan hard and air shocks.

stjjames · 12-13-2009, 05:20 PM

Are you gonna paint the cage that god awful orange again ?

CJay · 12-13-2009, 06:07 PM

Better question--Did you have the foresight to chain the front of that thing up with the crane beforehand...or did you have to change your shorts when that thing started to teeter forward right when you finished chopping the back off?

mferrari · 12-13-2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJay

Better question--Did you have the foresight to chain the front of that thing up with the crane beforehand...or did you have to change your shorts when that thing started to teeter forward right when you finished chopping the back off?

haha I actually thought ahead on that one.

Need to build some tall stand.

And of course I am going to use orange paint, thats my trade mark.

CJay · 12-13-2009, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mferrari

haha I actually thought ahead on that one.

66jj · 12-13-2009, 08:00 PM

Over 200 feet of 1.75 tubing? Are you building two buggys?

Diablo169 · 12-13-2009, 09:49 PM

Wow are we doing the same build.

This is how mine sits as of 2 hours ago.

I will be checking in to see how you yours comes along.

mferrari · 12-29-2009, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 66jj

Over 200 feet of 1.75 tubing? Are you building two buggys?

Actually thats over 300 feet of various sizes, but it is just a big stock order for the shop. Enough for my buggy, 1 cage, some steering kits, and suspension stuff...

mferrari · 12-29-2009, 07:20 PM

Got a couple hours of work on my own junk today...

Took the tub off. Figured it would be easier to do the tranny mount with the tub off vs doing it laying on the ground.

Finished chopping the rear of the frame. The rest will be tubed out.

Going to make a simple trans mount out a some DOM with a bushing on each end. Will be pushed up so the belly is flat like so:

Last week I also picked up some 39.5" Rockers from TJayMurph on here (thanks again!). Here is a shot with the puppy "Chassis".

mferrari · 12-30-2009, 09:46 PM

Capped off the frame rails today. And then put the body back on to get final measurements for the chassis. Also played around with the D300, def going to need a clocking ring. Tomorrow I am going to start bending most likely!

Here was what I have for the chassis so far. Going to be adding more on the rear, plus will have tubes running up front too. There is going to be a rock rail running along the bottom side of the tub as well.

mferrari · 12-31-2009, 02:59 PM

Didn't get bending today because I was tyring to mess with getting a tranny mount done.

The plan was to do a tube mount straight across with two bushings are the end (maybe a U on the driveshaft side). Got to messing around with it today and it looks like unless I get a flip kit for the D300 is going to be real difficult to make a mount and have it sit flush with the frame.

I am going to weight my options right now. Buy a flip kit, run a pass drop D60, or get an Atlas or Stak case.

Rugger99 · 12-31-2009, 05:09 PM

I will be following this build....my Jeep looks almost exactly like yours does right now....

. Can you PM me the dimensions and measurements of your cage/backhalf that you came up with ?

mferrari · 01-01-2010, 09:01 PM

Spent some time today trying to figure out what to do with this D300. I broke out the bandsaw and cut down the old shifter crap:

Ok so now that made a little more clearance for the mount. But the next problem... The driveshaft and shifters. Looks like I am going to need a 2 piece shaft to fit around the transmission. Also may run into some trouble with clearance for the shifter but I may be able to work around that...

Shifter clearance:

Top View:

Back w/ "driveshaft":

Any thoughts?

mferrari · 01-01-2010, 09:02 PM

Also while I had the D300 apart, I decided to grind the shift rail to allow me to use 2wd High in the Front with the rear in N.
Before (Marker is where you grind to):

Afer:

Also bent the first tubes for the chassis... The slider pieces to weld on the frame that will run right along the tub line.

mferrari · 01-01-2010, 09:44 PM

Ok so I need some help on the 2 piece shaft. Never done one before...

I figure if I set it up like this it should solve my problem...

I plan to use 1350 joints, and a CV on the second section. Going to mount the bearing on a bushing as well so I want need a slip in the first section.

I figure if I can build the shaft fairly cheap then I am going to stick with the D300 for a year or two. Then replace it with an Atlas or Stak when I rework the engine. If the 2 piece shaft is going to be alot, then I don't know if it is worth it to sink the money into the D300 setup and may just spring for a Stak or Atlas now...

mferrari · 01-01-2010, 11:49 PM

Was sitting here thinking about other solutions as well. I remembered I have a front half of a 231 left over from a teralow swap. I may do a D&D crawl box with it. That would give me the shifter clearance and it is possible that I could get away with not needing a 2 piece shaft.

mferrari · 01-11-2010, 07:20 PM

Got a little but of time today work on it. Got the side rocker tubes burned in. Added two gussests, one of which will be the A pillar tie in. Also got the tranny mount burned in. Then laid the whats left of the tub back on for the last time. Tomorrow going to start bending some tube of the chassis.

Tranny mount:

Whats left of the tub that I am using

Clearance with the tranny and flat belly

alex71 · 01-11-2010, 07:48 PM

Why dont you just go ahead and boatside it? The tube is already destroyed.

Jeepman14wheel · 01-11-2010, 08:07 PM

I like the idea of the tube nerf style bars. I may just use your design but instead of leaving the stock body mounts use tube instead and then cover the bottom with some UHMW to slide better over rocks.

mferrari · 01-12-2010, 06:57 PM

Got a little bit of work done today...

Started on the tubes.
B pillar:

A pillars up and testing with a Baja Ultra I have in the shop:

Getting the windshield bar set:

Here is where I stopped tonight:

surfoc18 · 01-12-2010, 08:00 PM

Looking good so far mike! I like the looks of this new cage compared to the last one no offense it looked like a basketball hoop. But nice to see some good progress more than most of us are getting done lately. Keep it up

mferrari · 01-12-2010, 08:16 PM

Yeah, I was waiting to retire the old one. It was fine for basic trail riding, but after two flops and getting into some harder trails it was time for some that will withstand hard rolls.

OkLaHoMaYJ · 01-12-2010, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex71

Why dont you just go ahead and boatside it? The tube is already destroyed.

x2 on the boatsides. That would look pretty sweet.

mferrari · 01-12-2010, 08:32 PM

I wanted to keep the Jeep look with part of the factory tub for now. I am sure boat sides will come later though.

mferrari · 01-19-2010, 08:40 PM

Worked on it a little bit today.

Got the axles mocked into place for a 104" WB.

My front D60 has a truss with TJ brackets on it (decided to change plans and build the buggy) so I was hoping I could knock off one upper and reposition the other to make it work but it seems the truss is just too big for the front right now. At ride height I want the axle about 3" higher than it is now and you can see I will have clearance issues with the belts trac-bar...
Belt

Pass Side

Driver Side

Bent some more for the rear:

12-13-2009, 04:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Orange Peel - Juggy Build Figured I should post here so I can get some extra tips and pointers as I go along... Decided to take my TJ and retire the body as well as most of the frame. Going to build it for a dual purpose trail rig but something that may also get my foot in the door with comps as well. Here she sits right now: Pile of tubing waiting to be bent up: Axles. HP60 and 14 bolt. May get rid of the HP60 though in favor of a chevy 60 thats passenger drop. This was idea number 1 for the start of the chassis, but I am still trying to decide how much of the frame I want to keep. Rear suspension will be a double triangulated 4 link with air shocks. Front will be a 3 link w/ pan hard and air shocks. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

12-13-2009, 05:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
stjjames Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 51899 Location: PAC NW Posts: 771	Are you gonna paint the cage that god awful orange again ? __________________ The sky was your playground . . . P.A.O

12-13-2009, 06:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
CJay Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10365 Location: VA Posts: 94	Better question--Did you have the foresight to chain the front of that thing up with the crane beforehand...or did you have to change your shorts when that thing started to teeter forward right when you finished chopping the back off? __________________ CJ/YJ hybrid on tons and 40's Team UglyGP "Spec" XJ CCTC

12-13-2009, 09:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Diablo169 Granite Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 63382 Location: Los Gatos, Ca Posts: 852	Wow are we doing the same build. This is how mine sits as of 2 hours ago. I will be checking in to see how you yours comes along. Attached Images __________________ --- 80 Proof --- TJ Juggy Build "14 Bolt don't give a shit. It takes what it wants." -Little Sluice Memorial Weekend 2012

12-29-2009, 07:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Got a couple hours of work on my own junk today... Took the tub off. Figured it would be easier to do the tranny mount with the tub off vs doing it laying on the ground. Finished chopping the rear of the frame. The rest will be tubed out. Going to make a simple trans mount out a some DOM with a bushing on each end. Will be pushed up so the belly is flat like so: Last week I also picked up some 39.5" Rockers from TJayMurph on here (thanks again!). Here is a shot with the puppy "Chassis". __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

12-13-2009, 08:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
66jj Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Member # 145072 Location: Iowa Posts: 144	Over 200 feet of 1.75 tubing? Are you building two buggys?

12-30-2009, 09:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Capped off the frame rails today. And then put the body back on to get final measurements for the chassis. Also played around with the D300, def going to need a clocking ring. Tomorrow I am going to start bending most likely! Here was what I have for the chassis so far. Going to be adding more on the rear, plus will have tubes running up front too. There is going to be a rock rail running along the bottom side of the tub as well. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

12-31-2009, 02:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Didn't get bending today because I was tyring to mess with getting a tranny mount done. The plan was to do a tube mount straight across with two bushings are the end (maybe a U on the driveshaft side). Got to messing around with it today and it looks like unless I get a flip kit for the D300 is going to be real difficult to make a mount and have it sit flush with the frame. I am going to weight my options right now. Buy a flip kit, run a pass drop D60, or get an Atlas or Stak case. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

12-31-2009, 05:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rugger99 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22646 Location: Tallahassee,FL Posts: 1,639	I will be following this build....my Jeep looks almost exactly like yours does right now..... Can you PM me the dimensions and measurements of your cage/backhalf that you came up with ? __________________ " Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups"

01-01-2010, 09:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Spent some time today trying to figure out what to do with this D300. I broke out the bandsaw and cut down the old shifter crap: Ok so now that made a little more clearance for the mount. But the next problem... The driveshaft and shifters. Looks like I am going to need a 2 piece shaft to fit around the transmission. Also may run into some trouble with clearance for the shifter but I may be able to work around that... Shifter clearance: Top View: Back w/ "driveshaft": Any thoughts? __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-01-2010, 09:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Also while I had the D300 apart, I decided to grind the shift rail to allow me to use 2wd High in the Front with the rear in N. Before (Marker is where you grind to): Afer: Also bent the first tubes for the chassis... The slider pieces to weld on the frame that will run right along the tub line. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-01-2010, 09:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Ok so I need some help on the 2 piece shaft. Never done one before... I figure if I set it up like this it should solve my problem... I plan to use 1350 joints, and a CV on the second section. Going to mount the bearing on a bushing as well so I want need a slip in the first section. I figure if I can build the shaft fairly cheap then I am going to stick with the D300 for a year or two. Then replace it with an Atlas or Stak when I rework the engine. If the 2 piece shaft is going to be alot, then I don't know if it is worth it to sink the money into the D300 setup and may just spring for a Stak or Atlas now... __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-01-2010, 11:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Was sitting here thinking about other solutions as well. I remembered I have a front half of a 231 left over from a teralow swap. I may do a D&D crawl box with it. That would give me the shifter clearance and it is possible that I could get away with not needing a 2 piece shaft. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-11-2010, 07:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Got a little but of time today work on it. Got the side rocker tubes burned in. Added two gussests, one of which will be the A pillar tie in. Also got the tranny mount burned in. Then laid the whats left of the tub back on for the last time. Tomorrow going to start bending some tube of the chassis. Tranny mount: Whats left of the tub that I am using Clearance with the tranny and flat belly __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-11-2010, 07:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
alex71 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71586 Posts: 108	Why dont you just go ahead and boatside it? The tube is already destroyed.

01-11-2010, 08:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jeepman14wheel US NAVY Join Date: Apr 2005 Member # 46071 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,756	I like the idea of the tube nerf style bars. I may just use your design but instead of leaving the stock body mounts use tube instead and then cover the bottom with some UHMW to slide better over rocks. __________________ Ultra 4 EMC wanna be....

01-12-2010, 06:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Got a little bit of work done today... Started on the tubes. B pillar: A pillars up and testing with a Baja Ultra I have in the shop: Getting the windshield bar set: Here is where I stopped tonight: __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-12-2010, 08:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
surfoc18 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Member # 126454 Location: Ocean City, MD Posts: 33	Looking good so far mike! I like the looks of this new cage compared to the last one no offense it looked like a basketball hoop. But nice to see some good progress more than most of us are getting done lately. Keep it up

01-12-2010, 08:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Yeah, I was waiting to retire the old one. It was fine for basic trail riding, but after two flops and getting into some harder trails it was time for some that will withstand hard rolls. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-12-2010, 08:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	I wanted to keep the Jeep look with part of the factory tub for now. I am sure boat sides will come later though. __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

01-19-2010, 08:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
mferrari Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 101333 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,050	Worked on it a little bit today. Got the axles mocked into place for a 104" WB. My front D60 has a truss with TJ brackets on it (decided to change plans and build the buggy) so I was hoping I could knock off one upper and reposition the other to make it work but it seems the truss is just too big for the front right now. At ride height I want the axle about 3" higher than it is now and you can see I will have clearance issues with the belts trac-bar... Belt Pass Side Driver Side Bent some more for the rear: __________________ [B][COLOR="DarkOrange"][URL="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=845466"]Orange Peel Buggy [/URL] 120 - DOR Racing - Racing for Operation Homefront[/B][/COLOR] OHF provides emergency financial and other assistance to the families of our service members and wounded warriors. [B]Delmarva Offroad - F-O-A Shocks - BD Turnkey Engines - Jer-C Transmissions - Quigley Driveshafts[/B]

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