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Old 08-13-2001, 08:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I was told that the d50 that comes in the new super duty Ford has the same joint that the d60 has. Is this true?
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Old 08-13-2001, 09:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah but it is a D44 center section
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Old 08-13-2001, 09:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep, it's basically a Dana 44 with Dana 60 outers.
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<STRONG>Yep, it's basically a Dana 44 with Dana 60 outers.</STRONG>
So you have the strength at the outers and the clearance in the center........ is there something I'm missing here? Isn't this what a lot of the Jeeps guys are looking for? I'm not talking about the balls to the walls, full time off road rigs - more of the want strength for wheelin and have to drive it daily too.
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Can you even get a locker for a D50, what about gear choices?
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Old 08-13-2001, 05:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sorry to give you some bad news but I think the pumkin is the same size as a standard d60.
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Would the outers be good for grafting on to a D44, though? ala Currie's F450 knuckles.
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Old 08-14-2001, 04:12 AM   #8 (permalink)
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<STRONG>Sorry to give you some bad news but I think the pumkin is the same size as a standard d60.</STRONG>
Yeah but the Internal's ( where it count's)
is 30 spline this is what RockSlut Meant


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And why would you waste the Money on grafting on 60 Outer's on a 44 even 50 Cent's would be funny!! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> No gain,,, you will just be Breaking internal axleshaft's all day long!
have you seen the size of the 2 joint's 1 332x is made for 1.5 shaft's and the other 297x is for 1" and who cares!!?? <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0">


Currie Upgrades there Million Dollar unit <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> with 35 spline Inner's shaft's

Not 30 spline !!! Just run Bigger tire's and Shave a little weight, good to go!!!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG> Yeah but the Internal's ( where it count's)
is 30 spline this is what RockSlut Meant


Boat Anchor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Turd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And why would you waste the Money on grafting on 60 Outer's on a 44 even 50 Cent's would be funny!! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> No gain,,, you will just be Breaking internal axleshaft's all day long!
have you seen the size of the 2 joint's 1 332x is made for 1.5 shaft's and the other 297x is for 1" and who cares!!?? <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0">


Currie Upgrades there Million Dollar unit <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> with 35 spline Inner's shaft's

Not 30 spline !!! Just run Bigger tire's and Shave a little weight, good to go!!!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Thats exactly what I meant. If it had D60 pumpkin it would be a D60. Its not!
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Hey Ant

That was the reason for my original post. To find out if the d50 has the same outers as the d60. The joint is the weak link. I am told it has the larger joint. If you are not out of control with the stupid pedal that axle would do great. A straight d44 is not worth the time to me because it has the same 297x joint a d30 has.

The good part of it is that the d50 are soon to be a dime a dozen. At least here in Texas because the Super Duty Fords are everywhere. A friend of mine is hooking me up with a deal I can't refuse "free".
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Find out what gears and lockers are available (I'm sure you are very limited) and if its all good, go for it. I can see your point. Its all about availability of parts for it to me.
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<STRONG>Find out what gears and lockers are available (I'm sure you are very limited) and if its all good, go for it. I can see your point. Its all about availability of parts for it to me.</STRONG>
3.73, 4.10, and 4.56 gears are available for the Dana 50. You can get an ARB also.
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A friend of mine has this unit on his 2000 f-250. He showed me one of those new sealed bearing units,with discount it was $348. The first unit broke with 35 inch tires. <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG>A friend of mine has this unit on his 2000 f-250. He showed me one of those new sealed bearing units,with discount it was $348. The first unit broke with 35 inch tires. <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
My neighbor has the same front end in his 2000 F250 with bone stock tires on it and it hatched at 20,000 miles. Not sure about reliability but if its cheap get it.
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Randy's ring & pinion has 5.38 for the d50.

Hey PTO Dave what did your friend break and what was he doing? Breaking doesn't impress me you can break a d60 doing stupid things. Such as if someone in an F250 a very heavy truck compared to a jeep was pulling something or jerking to free something in reverse with foot firmly planted on the stupid pedal you can get ready for the fire works (snap crackle and pop). It would be true even for a d60 with the torque of that power stroke.
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<STRONG>Sorry to give you some bad news but I think the pumkin is the same size as a standard d60.</STRONG>
I don't suppose you could slip a D60 Carrier in there could you? How about D60 Spider gears? Even if you can't, you must be able to shave the heck out of it. It must have all kinds of internal clearance. True the weak point of it is the axle shafts, but it's still stronger than a D44. The earlier TTB D50 use the same u-joint don't they? Could you use those outers instead of the unit bearing outers? Just a thought.
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Not really sure what kind of a stunt he was doing,he is kinda crazy. He broke the front last sunday(I think it was one of those cheesey hubs)Just seems kinda goofy to pay $348 bucks for one side when I can do both side wheel bearings on my 60 for about $100. Your right though a jeep is a LOT lighter and it depends on how you drive. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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That is true Grandpa Jeep the d50 ring & pinion is stronger than a d44. I think you might be right about the clearance inside I will have to check into it. The outside of the pumkin looks to be exactly the same as the reverse d60 I have in the rear, if this is the case you should be able to do a pretty extreme shave on it.
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There's something else about those unit bearing hubs that has me intrigued. Ford is using them with lockouts that are either vaccumn or manually operated right? Therefore they must have some sort of rotating seal right? I was thinking a guy could hook up an onboard air system to the tire through that hub, like the hummer does. That would be too cool to be able to air up or down from the cab. What do you think?
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My hope is that there is a swap I can do, or that Warn will offer a manual locking hub. I don't think the auto lock hubs have ever been reliable.

I have a lot of research to do before I make a decision. I will let you know what I find. I have been looking for a reverse d60 in the salvage yards for over 2 months now with no luck and the d50 is looking pretty good for the price.
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Pretty sure regular D60 locking hubs still work with the new unit bearings. The problem with regular auto hubs is they have to unlock and re lock every time you change direction. So if you get stuck and you have to rock the vehicle back and forth, you really end up pounding on the hub. The auto hubs that come on the new Super Dutys are not like regular auto hubs. They use vaccumn to engage the locking mechanism when the transfer case is shifted into 4WD. Since they don't unlock every time you back up, they should be just as reliable as a manual hub. They also have a dial so you can manually lock them in if you have a vaccumn leak. I don't think they're as strong as Warn's hubs, but they definately shouldn't be as weak as regular auto hubs.
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A couple of months ago (don't remember which month) in fourwheeler mag. Ned Bacon showed a superduty getting regeared. Anyway the article showed a great shot of D50 with the carrier in it, no cover. And yes the internal clearance was huge. I would think you would be able to shave the hell out it. Could end up being the next big axle for the average joe.
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I am with you locrwln

Found out you can replace the auto lock hubs with warn's manual hubs. With the one ton joint on the axle, locker, 5.38 gears, and the clearance you could get with the pumkin shaved this could be a killer setup.
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They Make the ARB for this frontend


But I still Ask Why?????????????????????????

Quit talking ,,, Go full 60 Don't waste you hard earned Dollars!!! Unless you are Rich than Go Ahead!!!!! Hehehehehe <IMG SRC="smilies/innocent.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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I would gladly go with a reverse d60.

Finding the R d60 for a reasonable price is the problem.
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