procomp coil conversion - thoughts? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

yj-mule · 10-10-2005, 05:43 PM

Has anyone used this kit before, or know someone who has?
I am concerned it won't be very strong.

I understand that it will flex 10" which is close to an SOA conversion.
I like the idea of the smoother ride on and off trail.

Thoughts?

jboss · 10-10-2005, 06:06 PM

It a piece of shit. I had one on my jeep when I got it. First trip out and I was very disappointed in it. The link geometry is very bad. The kit would never drive strait on the hw. I now am SOA and it drives 1000 times better.

yj-mule · 10-10-2005, 06:22 PM

shyt why? You only mention driving straight. Any other reasons? Driving straight theoretically can be fixed, depends on why.

I have read that the kit causes torque bump, turns the direction of the motor torquing. Did you feel this?

Thanks

Schmozilla · 10-10-2005, 06:23 PM

If you want to go to coils on your YJ, DO NOT GET THE PROCOMP ONE!!!, a friend of mine did and he hated it... I went the Rockkrawler route... and I love it... Im in the process of modifying it tho... 4 inch strech in the front and another 2 inched in the rear on the already 7 inches, Im hopeing this summer i can trade the 10 inch coils for 16 or 18s

NE-RokToy · 10-10-2005, 06:52 PM

The kit is designed for easy install, not great performance. There are no flex joints in the arms, just short arms with stiff poly bushings, also the coils are mounted in a manner that will also limit flex. The one I have seen on the trail flexed worse then most half decent 4" SUA lifts, not even close to a properly setup SOA rig.

got4-lo · 10-10-2005, 06:53 PM

y would u waste any money on something that has procomp on it

yj-mule · 10-11-2005, 08:12 AM

The rockkrawler one that I could find was a coil-over. So is the black diamond one. I have no experience installing coil overs, nor have I even heard of them on the trail. Would it be better if I stayed with SOA?

00pumpkin · 10-11-2005, 10:14 AM

For the rockkrawler and black diamond its not like your buying a coilover and have to make mounts for it and figure out the angle you want it at, its a kit, thats why you pay so much $$$ for it cause they have figured everything out for you. And if you havent heard of them on the trail, then i dont know what to say about that.........I havent ever seen a rockkrawler kit in action, but I have seen the Black Diamond kit and it works really well...............

yj-mule · 10-11-2005, 10:34 AM

I have heard of them, but I havn't ever seen one on the trail. Many people talk about them but don't have the $$$ as you say.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it.

I think I am soured on the procomp kit, there hasn't been 1 positive response, which concerns me.

The rockkrawler kit looks like the way I will go if not SOA. Its just the fabrication that is kickin me in the butt which is why I was considering the procomp kit.

TEEJ · 10-11-2005, 10:47 AM

I wheeled with a guy who had it once a long ass time ago. It was awful, he had NO flex at all, he struggled badly all day on minor obsticles. Here's a pic of the guy, my heep had all 4 tires planted fine on this same line. The dude just fell in with us that day, uninvited. Couldn't drive and his rig sucked.

rckjeep · 10-11-2005, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yj-mule

Has anyone used this kit before, or know someone who has?
I am concerned it won't be very strong.

I understand that it will flex 10" which is close to an SOA conversion.
I like the idea of the smoother ride on and off trail.

Thoughts?

My SOA flexes a lot more than 10". At Frolic this year a guy had just put one on a YJ and went to do the RTI ramp he scored a 360. I scored a 780. You decide what is better.

A buddy has the RockKrawler kit on his YJ and I'm not impressed. Now the Black Diamond Kit is the sh!t.

yj-mule · 10-11-2005, 12:04 PM

TEEJ, I definately don't want that to be me!
Thanks for the input.

yj-mule · 10-11-2005, 12:55 PM

rckjeep,
I looked at the black diamond kit, but didn't quite know what to do with the info I had found.

I understand that Warn once owned it, then droped it. Another company picked it up, I forget the name but I think it was Superlift Suspension Systems. Now I have heard that Warn has picked it back up again. I did find a link from Superlift.com titled "Black Diamond: Advanced Off-Road Equipment by Superlift" that links to blackdiamondoffroad.com. So I am making an assumption that blackdiamondoffroad.com is Superlift, or vice-versa.

I am however unable to find any kit on Warns page, or by googling for a Warn kit.

So when people mention "Black Diamond Coil Over kit" I don't know which one they are talking about to understand what is being reviewed.

Is there really only one kit, made by Superlift under then name of black diamond? Also did Warn own black diamond at one time and sell the entire company to Superlift, not just the coil-over kit?

JeeponRock · 10-11-2005, 02:29 PM

We had a guy in the club with one of the first Black Diamond kits. It had crzy, mad flex. Even though he was open a large part of the time he had it, the tires were on the ground, and had enough ground pressure to move the Jeep.

That YJ above with the flexless Pro-Crap kit also has the world's greatest tires... can't imagine why it would get stuck.

apeters89 · 10-11-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yj-mule

I understand that Warn once owned it, then droped it. Another company picked it up...

True

Quote:

Originally Posted by yj-mule

So I am making an assumption that blackdiamondoffroad.com is Superlift, or vice-versa.

True

Quote:

Originally Posted by yj-mule

So when people mention "Black Diamond Coil Over kit" I don't know which one they are talking about to understand what is being reviewed.
Is there really only one kit, made by Superlift under then name of black diamond?

True

Quote:

Originally Posted by yj-mule

Also did Warn own black diamond at one time and sell the entire company to Superlift, not just the coil-over kit?

Entire Blackdiamond line and name.

TEEJ · 10-11-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeponRock

We had a guy in the club with one of the first Black Diamond kits. It had crzy, mad flex. Even though he was open a large part of the time he had it, the tires were on the ground, and had enough ground pressure to move the Jeep.

That YJ above with the flexless Pro-Crap kit also has the world's greatest tires... can't imagine why it would get stuck.

I know. This guy was braggin about the rig b4 the group I was with headed out. He said he had 13k in it the way it sat

. I honestly didn't see it articulate more than 2 or 3" on any corner. It was fawkin rediculous. That added in with the way he drove made it worse. The result was us tryin to get him straight enough to winch him up the hill. He was more trouble than anything that day. You can even see the group of stockers he was holding up in the background. Me in the orange hat with my boxers ridin up pretty bad.

Schmozilla · 10-11-2005, 04:42 PM

Rockkrawler on the trail

and I dont want here shit about the axles

these guys are almost done...

Steve N · 10-11-2005, 06:38 PM

new forum no flaming

Skerb · 10-11-2005, 09:02 PM

friend of mine has the procrap coil conversion...he hates it and has since he installed it...way overpriced and its a piece of crap...i think it flexes less than a stock yj...literally a few inches of travel at each end. he is taking if off and doin a SOA.

Now lets have a look at this pic:

-snorkle
-turdbirds
-winch plate with no winch
-procrap coil conversion
-bushwackers
-3" body lift
-if you can read this sticker
-street locks

...sounds like a dumbass already without even seeing him drive.

24hoursofNevada · 10-11-2005, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yj-mule

Has anyone used this kit before, or know someone who has?
I am concerned it won't be very strong.

I understand that it will flex 10" which is close to an SOA conversion.
I like the idea of the smoother ride on and off trail.

Thoughts?

fabtech is releasing thier new yj coil over kit. I would wait and compare it to the rockkrawler kit.

rckjeep · 10-11-2005, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEEJ

I know. This guy was braggin about the rig b4 the group I was with headed out. He said he had 13k in it the way it sat

. I honestly didn't see it articulate more than 2 or 3" on any corner. It was fawkin rediculous. That added in with the way he drove made it worse. The result was us tryin to get him straight enough to winch him up the hill. He was more trouble than anything that day. You can even see the group of stockers he was holding up in the background. Me in the orange hat with my boxers ridin up pretty bad.

Thats what we call a trail tampon! Just plugs up the trail and leaves a mess.
Look at his pass. side rear tire. Did he even air down?

quebec4x4 · 10-12-2005, 05:58 AM

a friend of mine have no problem, the only thing he dont like is the lenght of the arm..he will fix it

http://www.quebec4x4.com/histoire2004/weir/Weir.shtml

wgilbertpt · 10-12-2005, 08:53 AM

the kit doesn't articulate at all. You go to pull up onthe ramp and at 10 inches off the ground the tire is spinning off the ground. on the trail this makes it very tippy on rocks that shouldn't roll ya. rides great on low end trails and on the road. I'm gonna rip mine out this winter and go with black diamond or other coil over kit, or perhaps go back to leaf springs. Knowing it's limitations I pick my line carefully and with front and rear lockers it gets by. Without lockers front and rear I wouldn't even take it on the trail. Did I mention how far under the axle the hardware sits? Hits everything and destroys the shock mounts as well. rear axle cant be rotated upward to run a CV shaft because the rear track bar mount doesn't line up if you do. Short control arms with 5.5 lift equals tires that don't climb the rocks very well at all due to the steep control arm angle. Did I mention how the front track bar mount doesn't account for any twisting of the axle and eventually fails. I had to fabricate a new one and then bought a front track bar with heim joints. AHHHH! Gonna rip it out this winter for sure.

TEEJ · 10-12-2005, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rckjeep

Thats what we call a trail tampon! Just plugs up the trail and leaves a mess.
Look at his pass. side rear tire. Did he even air down?

Look at the rig, think he aired down? I doubt it.

yj-mule · 10-12-2005, 09:20 AM

Greate info wgilbertpt.

And to everyone else that has responded I really appreciate the help. Especially the pictures (1000 words and all).

I am definately convinced to run like hell from this kit. So now its just a decistion on SOA or coil-over. And that decision is all about $$$.

I am really interested in hearing more about the Black Diamond kit. I am going to get in touch with Fabtech and see when their kit will be available that Teddy Blue mentioned.

If anyone has anymore info on the Black Diamond kit, or info on the Fabtech kit I would really appreciated it. To those experienced on the board should I put that in a different thread?

Thanks again to all.

10-10-2005, 05:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	procomp coil conversion - thoughts? Has anyone used this kit before, or know someone who has? I am concerned it won't be very strong. I understand that it will flex 10" which is close to an SOA conversion. I like the idea of the smoother ride on and off trail. Thoughts? __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL]

10-10-2005, 06:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	shyt why? You only mention driving straight. Any other reasons? Driving straight theoretically can be fixed, depends on why. I have read that the kit causes torque bump, turns the direction of the motor torquing. Did you feel this? Thanks __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL]

10-10-2005, 06:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
NE-RokToy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 62 Location: Omaha NE Posts: 5,992	The kit is designed for easy install, not great performance. There are no flex joints in the arms, just short arms with stiff poly bushings, also the coils are mounted in a manner that will also limit flex. The one I have seen on the trail flexed worse then most half decent 4" SUA lifts, not even close to a properly setup SOA rig. __________________ Jeff Neves

10-11-2005, 08:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	The rockkrawler one that I could find was a coil-over. So is the black diamond one. I have no experience installing coil overs, nor have I even heard of them on the trail. Would it be better if I stayed with SOA? __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL]

10-11-2005, 10:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
00pumpkin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38716 Location: Auburn, AL Posts: 612	For the rockkrawler and black diamond its not like your buying a coilover and have to make mounts for it and figure out the angle you want it at, its a kit, thats why you pay so much $$$ for it cause they have figured everything out for you. And if you havent heard of them on the trail, then i dont know what to say about that.........I havent ever seen a rockkrawler kit in action, but I have seen the Black Diamond kit and it works really well............... __________________ America is all about Speed. Hot, Nasty, Badass Speed......

10-10-2005, 06:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
jboss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49788 Location: Trabuco Canyon CA. Posts: 82	It a piece of shit. I had one on my jeep when I got it. First trip out and I was very disappointed in it. The link geometry is very bad. The kit would never drive strait on the hw. I now am SOA and it drives 1000 times better.

10-10-2005, 06:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Schmozilla Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38562 Location: Clemson, SC Posts: 1,935	If you want to go to coils on your YJ, DO NOT GET THE PROCOMP ONE!!!, a friend of mine did and he hated it... I went the Rockkrawler route... and I love it... Im in the process of modifying it tho... 4 inch strech in the front and another 2 inched in the rear on the already 7 inches, Im hopeing this summer i can trade the 10 inch coils for 16 or 18s

10-10-2005, 06:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
got4-lo Shredder Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44625 Location: Summit County CO Posts: 140	y would u waste any money on something that has procomp on it

10-11-2005, 10:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	I have heard of them, but I havn't ever seen one on the trail. Many people talk about them but don't have the $$$ as you say. Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. I think I am soured on the procomp kit, there hasn't been 1 positive response, which concerns me. The rockkrawler kit looks like the way I will go if not SOA. Its just the fabrication that is kickin me in the butt which is why I was considering the procomp kit. __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL]

10-11-2005, 10:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
TEEJ Crane Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Member # 45783 Location: Tucky Posts: 736	I wheeled with a guy who had it once a long ass time ago. It was awful, he had NO flex at all, he struggled badly all day on minor obsticles. Here's a pic of the guy, my heep had all 4 tires planted fine on this same line. The dude just fell in with us that day, uninvited. Couldn't drive and his rig sucked. __________________ '84 Runner. 4D's. Last edited by TEEJ; 10-11-2005 at 10:49 AM.

10-11-2005, 12:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	TEEJ, I definately don't want that to be me! Thanks for the input. __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL]

10-11-2005, 12:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	rckjeep, I looked at the black diamond kit, but didn't quite know what to do with the info I had found. I understand that Warn once owned it, then droped it. Another company picked it up, I forget the name but I think it was Superlift Suspension Systems. Now I have heard that Warn has picked it back up again. I did find a link from Superlift.com titled "Black Diamond: Advanced Off-Road Equipment by Superlift" that links to blackdiamondoffroad.com. So I am making an assumption that blackdiamondoffroad.com is Superlift, or vice-versa. I am however unable to find any kit on Warns page, or by googling for a Warn kit. So when people mention "Black Diamond Coil Over kit" I don't know which one they are talking about to understand what is being reviewed. Is there really only one kit, made by Superlift under then name of black diamond? Also did Warn own black diamond at one time and sell the entire company to Superlift, not just the coil-over kit? __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL] Last edited by yj-mule; 10-11-2005 at 12:59 PM.

10-11-2005, 02:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
JeeponRock Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27787 Location: Stone Mountain, GA Posts: 233	We had a guy in the club with one of the first Black Diamond kits. It had crzy, mad flex. Even though he was open a large part of the time he had it, the tires were on the ground, and had enough ground pressure to move the Jeep. That YJ above with the flexless Pro-Crap kit also has the world's greatest tires... can't imagine why it would get stuck. __________________ 71 Commando with 4.0HO, nv4500. D60, D60HP, 38" TSL SXs, Hummer wheels... under construction. Make April 15th just another day. [url]www.FairTax.org[/url]

10-11-2005, 04:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
Schmozilla Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38562 Location: Clemson, SC Posts: 1,935	Rockkrawler on the trail and I dont want here shit about the axles these guys are almost done... Last edited by Schmozilla; 10-11-2005 at 04:45 PM.

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Skerb Granite Guru Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36943 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 960	friend of mine has the procrap coil conversion...he hates it and has since he installed it...way overpriced and its a piece of crap...i think it flexes less than a stock yj...literally a few inches of travel at each end. he is taking if off and doin a SOA. Now lets have a look at this pic: -snorkle -turdbirds -winch plate with no winch -procrap coil conversion -bushwackers -3" body lift -if you can read this sticker -street locks ...sounds like a dumbass already without even seeing him drive. __________________ For info on outdoor adventures in and around South Carolina check out OffroadSC.com Last edited by Skerb; 10-11-2005 at 09:04 PM.

10-12-2005, 05:58 AM	#22 (permalink)
quebec4x4 ouin c ca Join Date: May 2004 Member # 31393 Location: Quebec Posts: 128	a friend of mine have no problem, the only thing he dont like is the lenght of the arm..he will fix it http://www.quebec4x4.com/histoire2004/weir/Weir.shtml __________________ Ram 2500 2wd NV5600, Edge with attitude, banks brake----WJ stock----LJ 37 MTR/K D44/4.88/ARB Atlas IV 8274

10-12-2005, 08:53 AM	#23 (permalink)
wgilbertpt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40761 Location: Brunswick, MD Posts: 315	procomp kit 2 years now- sucks the kit doesn't articulate at all. You go to pull up onthe ramp and at 10 inches off the ground the tire is spinning off the ground. on the trail this makes it very tippy on rocks that shouldn't roll ya. rides great on low end trails and on the road. I'm gonna rip mine out this winter and go with black diamond or other coil over kit, or perhaps go back to leaf springs. Knowing it's limitations I pick my line carefully and with front and rear lockers it gets by. Without lockers front and rear I wouldn't even take it on the trail. Did I mention how far under the axle the hardware sits? Hits everything and destroys the shock mounts as well. rear axle cant be rotated upward to run a CV shaft because the rear track bar mount doesn't line up if you do. Short control arms with 5.5 lift equals tires that don't climb the rocks very well at all due to the steep control arm angle. Did I mention how the front track bar mount doesn't account for any twisting of the axle and eventually fails. I had to fabricate a new one and then bought a front track bar with heim joints. AHHHH! Gonna rip it out this winter for sure. Last edited by wgilbertpt; 10-12-2005 at 09:00 AM.

10-12-2005, 09:20 AM	#25 (permalink)
yj-mule Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48153 Location: Concord, Ca Posts: 246	Greate info wgilbertpt. And to everyone else that has responded I really appreciate the help. Especially the pictures (1000 words and all). I am definately convinced to run like hell from this kit. So now its just a decistion on SOA or coil-over. And that decision is all about $$$. I am really interested in hearing more about the Black Diamond kit. I am going to get in touch with Fabtech and see when their kit will be available that Teddy Blue mentioned. If anyone has anymore info on the Black Diamond kit, or info on the Fabtech kit I would really appreciated it. To those experienced on the board should I put that in a different thread? Thanks again to all. __________________ Is:92 YJ 4.0 AX15 NP231 D30 D35 Will Be: 92 YJ 4.0 NP435 NP205 D60 14 bolt SOA waggy spr. [URL]http://www.rawsoftware.com/YJ-Mule/[/URL]

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