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Yota Tony · 10-12-2005, 09:05 AM

I'm going to move on to the second build of my ZJ in the spring.
Custom 7" Long Arm Lift (3 link rear), swap both axles out for full lenght D60s and put some 35x13.50R15 tires under it.

Now I'm wondering about the D60s themselves, the front in praticular. I'm looking for a high pinion D60 out of an older Ford but having some trouble locating one, so I'm wondering if I could get away with a regular D60? Or will this create ground clearence problems for me?
Also, what about my suspension stuff? does it stay ZJ or what? I'm guessing it changes due to me having to full lenght axles.
Driveshafts? Guessing I need a yoke on them for D60s? I'm already going to run a CV rear shaft, should I get a CV front?
Also should I look into re-enforcing my sub frame and uni body? How would I go about this?

WellUsedYJ · 10-12-2005, 10:21 AM

I don't know where in ontario your from? I live in buffalo new york, and the shop I work at on the side installs d60's into plow trucks, and he sells them on ebay etc. He has three matching sets right now. They are high pinion, kingpin, 60's out of late 70's 1 ton ford pickups. He gets $1000 for a matching set (d60 front and rear). If you have any questions let me know.

JohnnyJ · 10-12-2005, 01:09 PM

> full lenght D60s and put some 35x13.50R15 tires under it.

35s are smallish for 60s, good if you're planning on upgrading to bigger tires in the future, but in the mean time you better get used to the sound of diffs dragging

> so I'm wondering if I could get away with a regular D60? Or will this create ground clearence problems for me?

The high pinion will help keep your driveshaft up out of the way, but isn't going to solve the ground clearance problem of running d60s with 35s.

> Also, what about my suspension stuff? does it stay ZJ or what?

That's up to you. When I first installed my axles, I kept the front mounting mostly stock. The axle doesn't dictate the suspension.

>Driveshafts? Guessing I need a yoke on them for D60s? I'm already going to run a CV rear shaft, should I get a CV front?

You can get yokes to fit most any driveshaft with a 60, even 1310.

> Also should I look into re-enforcing my sub frame and uni body? How would I go about this?
search. Look at what others have done, copy it.

east_beast · 10-12-2005, 01:16 PM

Speaking of D60's, what are the best donor vehicles to get them from. By that I mean, which models had full floating D60's? Which models are the best to get the front D60 from? Going under a Jeep TJ.

Flashover Mfg · 10-12-2005, 01:59 PM

The vehicles that came with "regular" 60's all have a passenger side diff. Unless you are looking to change what side you driveshaft is on, a high pinion is the only 60 that came on the driver side from the factory. If you are just doing 35's I would look into doing a HP44/9" combo as well.

east_beast · 10-12-2005, 02:39 PM

I'm eventually looking to do 38's, maybe 39.5's. V-8 also. I'd really like to do 60's f/r. Whew, a front HP D60 will prolly be pricey... Hmmm... maybe I will stick with a 44/9" and 36's...

east_beast · 10-12-2005, 02:40 PM

what model vehicle am I looking under for a front HP D60? I have a good boneyard connection.

tjs80cj · 10-12-2005, 03:00 PM

From the Dana 60 Bible....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ont/index.html

The Dana 60 front axle is a heavy-duty 4wd front steering axle manufactured by Dana Spicer corporation. It was most commonly used in many one ton and some 3/4 ton pickup trucks.

Over the years there have been many different variations, from early Ford closed knuckle low pinion types, to the common GM kingpin low pinion, to the 94+ Dodge Dana 60 with a vacuum operated central axle disconnect, balljoints, and 32 spline inner shafts.

The most desirable axles for heavy duty 4x4 use in stock form have open kingpin knuckles, 35 spline inner axles, 30 spline outer axles (stub shafts), and disc brakes. Later model Ford high pinion (HP) Dana 60s with balljoints instead of kingpins are also desirable axles, though many prefer the kingpin knuckles over the balljoints.

The undesirable front Dana 60 axles will not be covered by this article, and include:

74-75.5 Ford low pinion drivers side closed knuckle drum brake with 30 spline inners, 19 spline outers, small ujoints and weak knuckles.

75.5-77 Ford low pinion drivers side open knuckle disc brake 30 spline inners, 19 spline outers, outer knuckle spindle pilot hole is smaller than 78+ axle and is therefore notched to allow 1480 series U-joint tp pass through.

94+ Dodge drivers side low pinion CAD unit bearing hub 32 spline 1.31” coil sprung Dana 60s

Any other closed knuckle Dana 60, like those from a Jeep M715 that had coarse spline axles.

Common applications for the desirable axles include:

GM

1977-87 K30 1 ton 4wd

1984-88 CUCV

1988-91.5 V30

All GM / Chevy versions were passenger side differential, regular rotation (low pinion) gears, disc brakes, 35 spline inners, 30 spline outers, internal style hubs, and kingpin knuckles.

Dodge

1975-89 D-600

1992-93 D-600

1981-89 D-700

1992-93 D-700

All these Dodge versions were passenger side differential, regular rotation (low pinion) gears, disc brakes, 35 spline inners, 30 spline outers, and kingpin knuckles. 1979-89 versions had external style hubs, with the earlier versions with full-time NP203 Transfer cases having external drive flanges, and later models having external lockout hubs. The external lockout hub bolt pattern is 8 x 3.960". The 90-93 versions had internal style hubs just like the Chevy and lockout hubs. One caution with dodge applications, is you have to be careful to avoid the Dana 61 front axle. 1987-88 and 1991-93.5 Dodge D600 and D700 also came with Dana 61. More info on the Dana 61 later in the article.

Ford

1978-79 F-350 and some F-250 (Snofighter and High GVW packages)
1986-88 F-350 with dual rear wheels (DRW)

1988-91.5 F-350 with single rear wheels (SRW)

1992-95 F-350 (all) (balljoint)

1996.5-98 F-350 (all) (balljoint)

2000 F350/F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern F350 / 8x220mm F450/F550, unit bearing hub)

2000.5 F350/F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern F350 / 8x220mm F450/F550, unit bearing hub)

2001 F350 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

2001-02 F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x220mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

2002 F250/F350 SRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

2002 F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x220mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

All these Ford versions were drivers side differential, reverse-cut (high pinion) gears, and kingpin knuckles to 1991.5 and balljoints thereafter. Most Ford D60s are internal style hubs, but external type lockout versions do exist. 2000 and later Ford D60s have balljoints, a metric wheel lug pattern of 8x170mm up to F350 and 8x220mm for F450/F550, different brakes and spindles, sealed "unit-bearing hubs", hub-centric wheels, different length axleshafts from the earlier D60s, and larger Superduty specific tie rod ends. From 2000 on, the Ford D60 front axle is also known as the Model 60F2000+ or the 248M. 248 just happens to be the equivalent in millimeters of 9.75" - the diameter of the D60s ring gear.

Yota Tony · 10-12-2005, 03:06 PM

I'm going to have 38s under my truck at one point, that's why I want to run D60s front and rear.
However I only want to run 35s right now, don't think I'm ready for 38s yet.

Red Wrangler · 10-12-2005, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Front Dana 60 Bible

1978-79 F-350 and some F-250 (Snofighter and High GVW packages)
1986-88 F-350 with dual rear wheels (DRW)

1988-91.5 F-350 with single rear wheels (SRW)

1992-95 F-350 (all) (balljoint)

1996.5-98 F-350 (all) (balljoint)

2000 F350/F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern F350 / 8x220mm F450/F550, unit bearing hub)

2000.5 F350/F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern F350 / 8x220mm F450/F550, unit bearing hub)

2001 F350 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

2001-02 F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x220mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

2002 F250/F350 SRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

2002 F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x220mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub)

All these Ford versions were drivers side differential, reverse-cut (high pinion) gears, and kingpin knuckles to 1991.5 and balljoints thereafter. Most Ford D60s are internal style hubs, but external type lockout versions do exist. 2000 and later Ford D60s have balljoints, a metric wheel lug pattern of 8x170mm up to F350 and 8x220mm for F450/F550, different brakes and spindles, sealed "unit-bearing hubs", hub-centric wheels, different length axleshafts from the earlier D60s, and larger Superduty specific tie rod ends. From 2000 on, the Ford D60 front axle is also known as the Model 60F2000+ or the 248M. 248 just happens to be the equivalent in millimeters of 9.75" - the diameter of the D60s ring gear.

Straight from the Dana 60 Bible. Look in the Tech section for everything you need to know about the D60F.

Using a Chevy/Dodge passenger side Dana 60 is an option, but as stated before, your driveshaft will be lower and pinion angle will need to be addressed on the standard D60. Also, you'll have to run a t-case with a passenger side output. The D300 is a nice t-case, and pass. side front output.

Chevy D60F's go from $550-1600 depending on condition and DRW vs. SRW. Usualy the high dollar Chevy D60's are the CUCV versions.
Ford HPD60's go from $1000-1600 again depending on condition and DRW vs. SRW.
The Ball joint D60's are sometimes a good bit cheaper due to a slightly less interested market.

All the widths, donor vehicles, and misc. tech can be found in the Dana 60 Bible, and with searches.

HTH

Red Wrangler · 10-12-2005, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjs80cj

From the Dana 60 Bible....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ont/index.html

Um, yeah... what he said.

Damn your quick!

BlueAngel · 10-12-2005, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yota Tony

I'm going to move on to the second build of my ZJ in the spring.
Custom 7" Long Arm Lift (3 link rear), swap both axles out for full lenght D60s and put some 35x13.50R15 tires under it.

Now I'm wondering about the D60s themselves, the front in praticular. I'm looking for a high pinion D60 out of an older Ford but having some trouble locating one, so I'm wondering if I could get away with a regular D60? Or will this create ground clearence problems for me?
Also, what about my suspension stuff? does it stay ZJ or what? I'm guessing it changes due to me having to full lenght axles.
Driveshafts? Guessing I need a yoke on them for D60s? I'm already going to run a CV rear shaft, should I get a CV front?
Also should I look into re-enforcing my sub frame and uni body? How would I go about this?

Try Kinney wrecker in kaladar, lots of other wreckers have ford 60s close to TO. For the yoke, I use a 1310/1330 conversion ujoints on mine, no need for new yokes... lots of info on this site, search and you will find all the answers you need on putting 60s under your jeep.

10-12-2005, 09:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
Yota Tony Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 39045 Location: The Rock Posts: 1,092	D60s? I'm going to move on to the second build of my ZJ in the spring. Custom 7" Long Arm Lift (3 link rear), swap both axles out for full lenght D60s and put some 35x13.50R15 tires under it. Now I'm wondering about the D60s themselves, the front in praticular. I'm looking for a high pinion D60 out of an older Ford but having some trouble locating one, so I'm wondering if I could get away with a regular D60? Or will this create ground clearence problems for me? Also, what about my suspension stuff? does it stay ZJ or what? I'm guessing it changes due to me having to full lenght axles. Driveshafts? Guessing I need a yoke on them for D60s? I'm already going to run a CV rear shaft, should I get a CV front? Also should I look into re-enforcing my sub frame and uni body? How would I go about this? __________________ Anthony Last edited by Yota Tony; 10-12-2005 at 09:12 AM.

10-12-2005, 01:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
JohnnyJ Low Range Drifter Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7903 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 2,730	> full lenght D60s and put some 35x13.50R15 tires under it. 35s are smallish for 60s, good if you're planning on upgrading to bigger tires in the future, but in the mean time you better get used to the sound of diffs dragging > so I'm wondering if I could get away with a regular D60? Or will this create ground clearence problems for me? The high pinion will help keep your driveshaft up out of the way, but isn't going to solve the ground clearance problem of running d60s with 35s. > Also, what about my suspension stuff? does it stay ZJ or what? That's up to you. When I first installed my axles, I kept the front mounting mostly stock. The axle doesn't dictate the suspension. >Driveshafts? Guessing I need a yoke on them for D60s? I'm already going to run a CV rear shaft, should I get a CV front? You can get yokes to fit most any driveshaft with a 60, even 1310. > Also should I look into re-enforcing my sub frame and uni body? How would I go about this? search. Look at what others have done, copy it. __________________ DEAK Racing #715 TREC B / Ultra 4 Mod Class Rig Thanks to Drivetrain Specialists and PAC Racing Springs for your support

10-12-2005, 03:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
tjs80cj Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3731 Location: Spring Hill, TN Posts: 244	From the Dana 60 Bible.... http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ont/index.html The Dana 60 front axle is a heavy-duty 4wd front steering axle manufactured by Dana Spicer corporation. It was most commonly used in many one ton and some 3/4 ton pickup trucks. Over the years there have been many different variations, from early Ford closed knuckle low pinion types, to the common GM kingpin low pinion, to the 94+ Dodge Dana 60 with a vacuum operated central axle disconnect, balljoints, and 32 spline inner shafts. The most desirable axles for heavy duty 4x4 use in stock form have open kingpin knuckles, 35 spline inner axles, 30 spline outer axles (stub shafts), and disc brakes. Later model Ford high pinion (HP) Dana 60s with balljoints instead of kingpins are also desirable axles, though many prefer the kingpin knuckles over the balljoints. The undesirable front Dana 60 axles will not be covered by this article, and include: 74-75.5 Ford low pinion drivers side closed knuckle drum brake with 30 spline inners, 19 spline outers, small ujoints and weak knuckles. 75.5-77 Ford low pinion drivers side open knuckle disc brake 30 spline inners, 19 spline outers, outer knuckle spindle pilot hole is smaller than 78+ axle and is therefore notched to allow 1480 series U-joint tp pass through. 94+ Dodge drivers side low pinion CAD unit bearing hub 32 spline 1.31” coil sprung Dana 60s Any other closed knuckle Dana 60, like those from a Jeep M715 that had coarse spline axles. Common applications for the desirable axles include: GM 1977-87 K30 1 ton 4wd 1984-88 CUCV 1988-91.5 V30 All GM / Chevy versions were passenger side differential, regular rotation (low pinion) gears, disc brakes, 35 spline inners, 30 spline outers, internal style hubs, and kingpin knuckles. Dodge 1975-89 D-600 1992-93 D-600 1981-89 D-700 1992-93 D-700 All these Dodge versions were passenger side differential, regular rotation (low pinion) gears, disc brakes, 35 spline inners, 30 spline outers, and kingpin knuckles. 1979-89 versions had external style hubs, with the earlier versions with full-time NP203 Transfer cases having external drive flanges, and later models having external lockout hubs. The external lockout hub bolt pattern is 8 x 3.960". The 90-93 versions had internal style hubs just like the Chevy and lockout hubs. One caution with dodge applications, is you have to be careful to avoid the Dana 61 front axle. 1987-88 and 1991-93.5 Dodge D600 and D700 also came with Dana 61. More info on the Dana 61 later in the article. Ford 1978-79 F-350 and some F-250 (Snofighter and High GVW packages) 1986-88 F-350 with dual rear wheels (DRW) 1988-91.5 F-350 with single rear wheels (SRW) 1992-95 F-350 (all) (balljoint) 1996.5-98 F-350 (all) (balljoint) 2000 F350/F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern F350 / 8x220mm F450/F550, unit bearing hub) 2000.5 F350/F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern F350 / 8x220mm F450/F550, unit bearing hub) 2001 F350 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub) 2001-02 F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x220mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub) 2002 F250/F350 SRW (balljoint, metric 8x170mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub) 2002 F450/F550 DRW (balljoint, metric 8x220mm wheel bolt pattern, unit bearing hub) All these Ford versions were drivers side differential, reverse-cut (high pinion) gears, and kingpin knuckles to 1991.5 and balljoints thereafter. Most Ford D60s are internal style hubs, but external type lockout versions do exist. 2000 and later Ford D60s have balljoints, a metric wheel lug pattern of 8x170mm up to F350 and 8x220mm for F450/F550, different brakes and spindles, sealed "unit-bearing hubs", hub-centric wheels, different length axleshafts from the earlier D60s, and larger Superduty specific tie rod ends. From 2000 on, the Ford D60 front axle is also known as the Model 60F2000+ or the 248M. 248 just happens to be the equivalent in millimeters of 9.75" - the diameter of the D60s ring gear. __________________ Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity Last edited by tjs80cj; 10-12-2005 at 03:01 PM.

10-12-2005, 03:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Yota Tony Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 39045 Location: The Rock Posts: 1,092	I'm going to have 38s under my truck at one point, that's why I want to run D60s front and rear. However I only want to run 35s right now, don't think I'm ready for 38s yet. __________________ Anthony

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10-12-2005, 10:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
WellUsedYJ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55423 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 70	I don't know where in ontario your from? I live in buffalo new york, and the shop I work at on the side installs d60's into plow trucks, and he sells them on ebay etc. He has three matching sets right now. They are high pinion, kingpin, 60's out of late 70's 1 ton ford pickups. He gets $1000 for a matching set (d60 front and rear). If you have any questions let me know.

10-12-2005, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
east_beast Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 377 Location: in the woods Posts: 529	Speaking of D60's, what are the best donor vehicles to get them from. By that I mean, which models had full floating D60's? Which models are the best to get the front D60 from? Going under a Jeep TJ.

10-12-2005, 01:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Flashover Mfg Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25028 Location: Where the Geese Fly and the Bulls Cry Posts: 1,006	The vehicles that came with "regular" 60's all have a passenger side diff. Unless you are looking to change what side you driveshaft is on, a high pinion is the only 60 that came on the driver side from the factory. If you are just doing 35's I would look into doing a HP44/9" combo as well.

10-12-2005, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
east_beast Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 377 Location: in the woods Posts: 529	I'm eventually looking to do 38's, maybe 39.5's. V-8 also. I'd really like to do 60's f/r. Whew, a front HP D60 will prolly be pricey... Hmmm... maybe I will stick with a 44/9" and 36's...

10-12-2005, 02:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
east_beast Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 377 Location: in the woods Posts: 529	what model vehicle am I looking under for a front HP D60? I have a good boneyard connection.