Yet another Waggy d44 question - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

dablkjp · 10-13-2005, 07:55 AM

Yes, I have my flame proof underwear on. I am putting a late 70's Dana 44 out of a Wagoneer in my 85 CJ7. I narrowed the housing 4 inches, and I am using Dana 30 knuckles with warn internal hub conversion and alloy axles. I know this subject has been beat into the ground, and I have found tons of useful info, but I am wondering what wms measurement other people with this setup ended up with.

bp95yj · 10-13-2005, 08:31 AM

if your building it you should know best.

waggie housings are 61.5 to 62 inches wide. if your narrowing four inches you would be 58 inches

(given that the 30 outers give about the same width)

dablkjp · 10-13-2005, 09:48 AM

Didn't know if I would end up getting the same width out of the D30 outers. I guess I am just getting axious, this is biggest mod I have done in the 11 years I have owned the rig, I don't want this project to also turn into the biggest f-up.

Doby45 · 10-13-2005, 10:47 AM

Just curious, why use D30 outters? You trying to make a Rubicon axle?

IndyCJ · 10-13-2005, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doby45

Just curious, why use D30 outters? You trying to make a Rubicon axle?

I was wondering that too. Just get ford 5x5.5 hub and rotors and you'll have the same BP. I don't understand....

dablkjp · 10-13-2005, 12:59 PM

Doing it this way I'll use new stock steering, spindles, bearings, brakes, etc... I think this will wind up easier, I hope, maybe. The only thing is the size of the D30 knuckles is much smaller, hopefully they'll hold up.

bj-666 · 10-13-2005, 04:47 PM

seems odd to me to use stock d30 stuff the whole point of building a 44 is to get bigger brakes and rebuildable bearings. the gear strength with a lp 44 is close to a 30. if it were me to save the trouble of building a 44 just to put 30 outers on i would just truss the 30 and run cromos dosn't seem like you getting much out of this mod except a heavier axle and less ground clearance??

CSP · 10-13-2005, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj-666

seems odd to me to use stock d30 stuff the whole point of building a 44 is to get bigger brakes and rebuildable bearings.

Someone is not familiar with the CJ Dana 30. They have servicable bearings just like a 44 and brakes aren't that much different.

The point of keeping Dana 44 outers is stronger outer axleshafts, the bigger ujoint, and internal hubs. This guy has addressed part of that with the internal hubs.

dablkjp · 10-14-2005, 08:40 AM

The stock Wagoneer uses 19 spline outer axles and the 5-297 u-joints, the Warn outer axles I am using are 30 spline and use 5-297 u-joints. Also, I had always heard that 4.56's in a D30 were bad news, that is probably as much the reason I am doing this as anything.

CSP · 10-14-2005, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dablkjp

The stock Wagoneer uses 19 spline outer axles and the 5-297 u-joints, the Warn outer axles I am using are 30 spline and use 5-297 u-joints.

Not that you made a bad decision to go with the Warn internal hubs, but stock CJ outer shafts are 27 spline which is still greater than 19. Spline count doesn't really mean squat if the overall diameter of the shaft is smaller.

bj-666 · 10-16-2005, 09:25 PM

yea didn't see that you were using the older d30 stuff. why wouldn't you use the 44 stuff (not sure but seems to me that there is more aftermarket suport for 44 stuff) 4.56 in a 30 are find so are 4.88 the gears mesh just the same with the same amount of contact. and as for the spline discussion ahhh another day...

10-13-2005, 07:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
dablkjp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55446 Posts: 16	Yet another Waggy d44 question Yes, I have my flame proof underwear on. I am putting a late 70's Dana 44 out of a Wagoneer in my 85 CJ7. I narrowed the housing 4 inches, and I am using Dana 30 knuckles with warn internal hub conversion and alloy axles. I know this subject has been beat into the ground, and I have found tons of useful info, but I am wondering what wms measurement other people with this setup ended up with.

10-13-2005, 08:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
bp95yj Sawzall Me Timbers! Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36471 Location: Maryland Posts: 556	if your building it you should know best. waggie housings are 61.5 to 62 inches wide. if your narrowing four inches you would be 58 inches (given that the 30 outers give about the same width) __________________ Brandon Appalachian Offroad Westminster, Maryland 410-848-2942 95 yj, 104" wb (waggy front and 4 link rear), stock 4.0L, sm465, 4.3 atlas, hp 60, 14bolt, detroits and 5.38's, 39" krawlers on allieds

10-13-2005, 09:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
dablkjp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55446 Posts: 16	Didn't know if I would end up getting the same width out of the D30 outers. I guess I am just getting axious, this is biggest mod I have done in the 11 years I have owned the rig, I don't want this project to also turn into the biggest f-up. Last edited by dablkjp; 10-13-2005 at 09:49 AM.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

10-13-2005, 10:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Doby45 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 44611 Location: Powder Springs, GA Posts: 46	Just curious, why use D30 outters? You trying to make a Rubicon axle?

10-13-2005, 12:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
dablkjp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55446 Posts: 16	Doing it this way I'll use new stock steering, spindles, bearings, brakes, etc... I think this will wind up easier, I hope, maybe. The only thing is the size of the D30 knuckles is much smaller, hopefully they'll hold up.

10-13-2005, 04:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
bj-666 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36693 Posts: 38	seems odd to me to use stock d30 stuff the whole point of building a 44 is to get bigger brakes and rebuildable bearings. the gear strength with a lp 44 is close to a 30. if it were me to save the trouble of building a 44 just to put 30 outers on i would just truss the 30 and run cromos dosn't seem like you getting much out of this mod except a heavier axle and less ground clearance??

10-14-2005, 08:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
dablkjp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55446 Posts: 16	The stock Wagoneer uses 19 spline outer axles and the 5-297 u-joints, the Warn outer axles I am using are 30 spline and use 5-297 u-joints. Also, I had always heard that 4.56's in a D30 were bad news, that is probably as much the reason I am doing this as anything.

10-16-2005, 09:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
bj-666 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Member # 36693 Posts: 38	yea didn't see that you were using the older d30 stuff. why wouldn't you use the 44 stuff (not sure but seems to me that there is more aftermarket suport for 44 stuff) 4.56 in a 30 are find so are 4.88 the gears mesh just the same with the same amount of contact. and as for the spline discussion ahhh another day...