Shackle angle on new springs - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

ogreshooter · 10-21-2005, 11:29 AM

I know that this has probably been covered, but I have some questions.

I just installed my new RE5515 4" lift springs on my YJ. I took a look at the shackle angle and low and behold the shackles are actually pointing back towards the tires. Probably like 5 degrees.

What in the hell did I do wrong? Did I get the wrong springs? Do they "flatten" out with some time??

This worries me because I am going wheeling on Saturday and do not want to f*&k anything up. Should I be worried? I searched, but came up empty.

Thank you Guru's

Nor Cal Jeep · 10-21-2005, 11:47 AM

The only thing that came to my mind while reading this was to lower the jack. But u probably already did that so i have no advice.

sureshot40sw · 10-21-2005, 11:53 AM

did you put the weight on the springs before tightening the bolts.. the vehicle needsz to be resting on th eground before tightening the leaf/shackle bolts... and only to about 35 ft/lbs....

Kurtuleas · 10-21-2005, 11:55 AM

I have the same problem on mine, but my shackles point straight down. I can't tell you how to fix it, (still have not fixed mine becuase of lack of time)but be worried.

I bashed my shackle on a rock and bent it backwards. That arched up the spring giving me no articulation whatsoever. Unaware that I did that, on the next obstacle, i brought my front tire up on another boulder and flopped my jeep over on it's side.

My rig has had the shackle at that angle for quite a while and it has never leveled out.

gigihurt · 10-21-2005, 12:21 PM

Try putting boomerang shackles on the front that might help.

ogreshooter · 10-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sureshot40sw

did you put the weight on the springs before tightening the bolts.. the vehicle needsz to be resting on th eground before tightening the leaf/shackle bolts... and only to about 35 ft/lbs....

Not only did I set the vehicle weight on it, I had my family climb in so that the standard weight would be on the vehicle. I did tighten to 35 ft/lbs, and the u-bolts to 80 (as per instructions).

I still do not understand what I did wrong. RE said that this was the correct spring length, but I can not understand why they are so short?! Maybe I will call them again. They ride nice, but the shackle angle is concerning me.

Anymore help would be greatly appreciated.

CrustyJeep · 10-21-2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gigihurt

Try putting boomerang shackles on the front that might help.

No it won't. Boomerangs do precisely nothing for shackle angle. You could also try S shaped shackles, or pretzel shaped, or anything else you want, but your shackle angle will remain the same provided the distance between bolt holes is the same.

ogreshooter · 10-21-2005, 02:23 PM

That was my thought. Will longer shackles help or hinder, or make any difference at all??

SPEEDCRAVIN · 10-21-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrustyJeep

No it won't. Boomerangs do precisely nothing for shackle angle. You could also try S shaped shackles, or pretzel shaped, or anything else you want, but your shackle angle will remain the same provided the distance between bolt holes is the same.

Thats corect Crusty. It does not matter what shackle you use. Shackle angle is the angle that is from the spring hanger bolt and the spring bolt.

The only thing that is going to change the angle on Shooters jeep is going the be the spring its self or the arch of said spring.

JOSH

CrustyJeep · 10-21-2005, 02:23 PM

What's an RE5515? It doesn't show up on the RE web site...? Just looking for specs. Sounds like it's a good inch too short.

Can you measure the spring, eye to eye, along it's arch and post the length? A YJ spring should be 45" or maybe a little more with that much arch.

ogreshooter · 10-21-2005, 03:09 PM

I will do that when I get home tonight. I will probably skip wheeling till this gets resolved. (I will measure tonight)

krb · 10-22-2005, 05:47 AM

Did the shackles point oppisite of the tires before the spring install?
Sounds like the springs are a little shorter.
I think that with the shackles with correct angle(bottom of shackle pointing oppisite of tires) would give better flex and ride.

ogreshooter · 10-22-2005, 08:12 PM

Well, I did run them today, and they ran fine. They are set at 90 degrees up and down. I think they did well. I am going to do a write up on them here in a bit.

10-21-2005, 11:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
ogreshooter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 37931 Location: Shuck me, suck me, eat me raw! Posts: 495	Shackle angle on new springs I know that this has probably been covered, but I have some questions. I just installed my new RE5515 4" lift springs on my YJ. I took a look at the shackle angle and low and behold the shackles are actually pointing back towards the tires. Probably like 5 degrees. What in the hell did I do wrong? Did I get the wrong springs? Do they "flatten" out with some time?? This worries me because I am going wheeling on Saturday and do not want to f*&k anything up. Should I be worried? I searched, but came up empty. Thank you Guru's __________________ 90 YJ, 2.5, AX-5, D44-D30-4.88-7" SOA-35" Baja Claw Radials-T-Max 10,000 EWI

10-21-2005, 11:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nor Cal Jeep Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Member # 41273 Location: Sacramento Posts: 498	The only thing that came to my mind while reading this was to lower the jack. But u probably already did that so i have no advice. __________________ 85 4Run, 22RE, 37's Beadlocks, HP/V6 ARB's 5.29's, dual case w/ 5.0, lotta shit clownin. SOLD 97 Stang Cobra

10-21-2005, 11:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
sureshot40sw Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 18435 Posts: 612	did you put the weight on the springs before tightening the bolts.. the vehicle needsz to be resting on th eground before tightening the leaf/shackle bolts... and only to about 35 ft/lbs.... __________________ My grandma says..." if she'll put a cig in her mouth,she'll take a dick in the ass" --- EricT

10-21-2005, 11:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Kurtuleas Team 4405 Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 23188 Location: Discovery Bay, CA Posts: 8,340 Blog Entries: 1	Be worried... I have the same problem on mine, but my shackles point straight down. I can't tell you how to fix it, (still have not fixed mine becuase of lack of time)but be worried. I bashed my shackle on a rock and bent it backwards. That arched up the spring giving me no articulation whatsoever. Unaware that I did that, on the next obstacle, i brought my front tire up on another boulder and flopped my jeep over on it's side. My rig has had the shackle at that angle for quite a while and it has never leveled out. __________________ JOHNSON VALLEY PETITION #66

10-21-2005, 02:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
ogreshooter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 37931 Location: Shuck me, suck me, eat me raw! Posts: 495	That was my thought. Will longer shackles help or hinder, or make any difference at all?? __________________ 90 YJ, 2.5, AX-5, D44-D30-4.88-7" SOA-35" Baja Claw Radials-T-Max 10,000 EWI

10-21-2005, 12:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
gigihurt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Member # 43867 Posts: 28	Try putting boomerang shackles on the front that might help.

10-21-2005, 03:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
ogreshooter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 37931 Location: Shuck me, suck me, eat me raw! Posts: 495	I will do that when I get home tonight. I will probably skip wheeling till this gets resolved. (I will measure tonight) __________________ 90 YJ, 2.5, AX-5, D44-D30-4.88-7" SOA-35" Baja Claw Radials-T-Max 10,000 EWI

10-22-2005, 05:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
krb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7692 Location: hollister,ca. Posts: 484	Did the shackles point oppisite of the tires before the spring install? Sounds like the springs are a little shorter. I think that with the shackles with correct angle(bottom of shackle pointing oppisite of tires) would give better flex and ride. __________________ '85 CJ7,SOA,36" IROCS,9" HP Currie/Detroit,44 spooled,Tera Low,Warn 9000I,Mopar F.I.,Premier Welder Last edited by krb; 10-22-2005 at 05:49 AM.

10-22-2005, 08:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
ogreshooter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 37931 Location: Shuck me, suck me, eat me raw! Posts: 495	Well, I did run them today, and they ran fine. They are set at 90 degrees up and down. I think they did well. I am going to do a write up on them here in a bit. __________________ 90 YJ, 2.5, AX-5, D44-D30-4.88-7" SOA-35" Baja Claw Radials-T-Max 10,000 EWI

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