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Old 01-11-2009, 06:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Extreme 4x4 14bolt Front Axle Question

I caught the last 10 min of extreme this past weekend and I noticed they used Clayton TJ factory brackets on the front 14 bolt axle for a passenger drop application.

I was curious to see if the tracbar would interfere with the differential cover on the 14 bolt but they never showed a completed front suspension on the Jeep.

I've been thinking about buying the Clayton TJ axle mounts and running a Chevy 60 in my TJ for quite some time now because 78-79 HP60's are impossible to find around here. I'm concerned the tracbar will hit the diff cover at full compression. Anyone else have any info on this build??
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Old 01-11-2009, 06:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Try PM'n Dookie he deleted his lengthy build thread after he sold his TJ but he ran a GM 60 and I am sure he can answer some of your concerns.
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I'll try that but I think Dookey ran a 4 link with triangulated uppers instead of running a tracbar. He also stretched his forward beyond factory location.
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He did stretch his front quite a bit your correct on that and I forget what link system he ran but I bet he can still give ya some pointers. Try PM'n Ian from Xtreme also he should be able to tell you what he did. Good luck.
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I have located a few Ford Dana 60s close to me via craigslist. I found an 85 and an 88 HP60s within an hours drive. I guess my biggest concern is welding the clayton brackets to the cast housing on the driver side. I've searched quite a bit and noticed a few people are trimming back the cast perch on the driver side about an inch or inch and a half to allow more room for a LCA bracket. I'm gonna run a true 3 link similiar to poly performaces kit but I can't afford CO's so I'm gonna run RE 4.5's up front and stock WJ coils out back.
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i have been looking into the passenger side D60 as well since im making a d300 crawl box so i have the option of picking what side the diff is going to be on. Without knowing your build plans from what i can tell it looks like its near impossible to have enough room for all the components on the passenger side with the coil spring and shock set up. Check out the ballistic fab coilover brackets that work up the inner C and that clears up enough room for the trackbar bracket and lower link mount on the tube itself.

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I have located a few Ford Dana 60s close to me via craigslist. I found an 85 and an 88 HP60s within an hours drive. I guess my biggest concern is welding the clayton brackets to the cast housing on the driver side. I've searched quite a bit and noticed a few people are trimming back the cast perch on the driver side about an inch or inch and a half to allow more room for a LCA bracket. I'm gonna run a true 3 link similiar to poly performaces kit but I can't afford CO's so I'm gonna run RE 4.5's up front and stock WJ coils out back.
I know its tight on the drivers side but do think you just wont have enough room to get the all the brackets in place? A friend of mine (redbulltj) has I believe an 88 HP 60 in his TJ and is running RE coils. I dont know what brackets he used but I he is running Clayton LAs. I'll try finding some of his pictures when I get home may help you out.
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I have an 85 that is going under my TJ this weekend, hopefully . We narrowed it 6" on the passenger side and cut back the cast on the driver's side to make a little more room. I'm doing a 3 link with 14" Kings though, so there should be plenty of room. It would be tight with using TJ springs, but it can be done. We are also running the upper link on the passenger side to clear up space on the driver's.
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Yeah Dookey's build had a BTF front ram mount set up with triangulated uppers for his front suspension..
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I was curious to see if the tracbar would interfere with the differential cover on the 14 bolt but they never showed a completed front suspension on the Jeep.

mayby thell run a rustys track bar with a nice big ass bend in it..cause form what I saw theres NO WAY they are going to get a track bar around that 14 bolt diff to attach to that cheesey ass axle end track bar mount

I guess yoiu gotta stay tuned to see what Ian comes up with
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read here /forum/chevy/748561-thought-14b-front-axle.html . one of the last post he made was a bottom line price.

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Old 01-12-2009, 03:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If you run pass drop there is no way to get a track bar to fit in the stock location.

Now on a drivers drop which would be alot easier to build anyway because of the offset of the pinion it should clear.

The track bar bracket was completely re-made and moved. This jeep will be getting full hydro so bump steer was not an issue.
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Old 01-12-2009, 03:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If you're also thinking HP 60, you have to do the track-bar re-lo. I believe I had to move mine back about an inch or so. Between the pumpkin, the tie-rod (High steer), the Pitman/idler, and the trackbar, there is not a lot of real estate to play around with.

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I was curious as to how Ian was gonna clear the huge diff. on the 14bolt but he just cleared that up.

I think after I price out TJ coil/shock brackets, new RE coils, and new shocks it would be almost the same price to go with some FOA 14'' CO's. The non-resi's are pretty decently priced and after I priced out a pair of 14's I was right under $700.

A fully loaded TNT truss for a HP78-79 60 is like $350 not including RE 4.5'' coils and new shocks. I could always run my Pro-Comp 4'' and upgrade later. I think the best thing to do is hold out and see if I can find a 78-79.
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I am curious as to about how much one would expect to pay to have a 14Bolt FF converted to a steering front axle, and who might I need to talk to about getting something like that done. That would end my axle searching as I have a spare 14bolt laying around here.
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I am curious as to about how much one would expect to pay to have a 14Bolt FF converted to a steering front axle, and who might I need to talk to about getting something like that done. That would end my axle searching as I have a spare 14bolt laying around here.
I don't know what it would cost but I doubt it's cheap.
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I am curious as to about how much one would expect to pay to have a 14Bolt FF converted to a steering front axle, and who might I need to talk to about getting something like that done. That would end my axle searching as I have a spare 14bolt laying around here.
Try these guys. I want to say they were Wagoner Machine Service from a few years back. I dont know the whole back story but I think they closed that shop and opened this one and if I recall correctly they built some 14bolt front axles.
http://www.sumnermachine.com/
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I have seen a few of their 14 bolt fronts out on the trails. They shave the piss out of them to get some really nice clearance.

Glad I found out that if you do decide to run a passenger side axle you cant get the tracbar on a TJ to work in the stock location. I just saw it on Extreme4x4 and got to thinking maybe it would work...but it doesn't.
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