Scout 44 front in a CJ, which spring plates and u-bolts? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 08:47 AM

does anyone know what spring plates and u-bolts that are needed and where i can get them? thanks...

ruecifur · 03-24-2009, 09:07 AM

http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-...ing-mounts.htm

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 09:15 AM

that helps, thanks mike.

oldjeep · 03-24-2009, 09:22 AM

Don't do it unless you are changing the knuckles. The steering will be terrible.

ruecifur · 03-24-2009, 09:29 AM

haha whats up derek, i didn't even look at the poster handle and didn't relise it was you! hows the engine swap going? I'm using the scout axles too and they are a pain in the ass. Your gonna have to turn the tubes to get any sort of good caster. Search google for "scout II dana 44 swap" and you'll find some good info. here's another link describing some steering issues. I would keep your cj outers though... makes it easier, but you should still do the caster mod.

http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/ihscout/d44f.html

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 09:34 AM

haven't started the motor swap yet, hopefully in the next couple weeks thing will get rollin.

i managed to find a scout 44 already shortened with the knuckles turned, castor set to 5*. perfect... and i'm gonna use my d30 outers to finish them off. i've got a line on a d44 rear out of an 86 cj with matching gears too. figure i might as well do this now.

oldjeep · 03-24-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dt5150

haven't started the motor swap yet, hopefully in the next couple weeks thing will get rollin.

i managed to find a scout 44 already shortened with the knuckles turned, castor set to 5*. perfect... and i'm gonna use my d30 outers to finish them off. i've got a line on a d44 rear out of an 86 cj with matching gears too. figure i might as well do this now.

Make sure you truss the housing too. I bent 2 scout housings before switching to a Chev housing on my big CJ. The tubes are pretty thin on the scout fronts.

ruecifur · 03-24-2009, 09:44 AM

with the center section out so wide that front end should actually help you with your d-shaft clearance too. Thats awesome that you found one that was turned already. I'm gonna be turning mine next week and I'm not looking forward to it. Yeah I'm gonna do a truss on mine as well, i would recomend doing that and make sure the tubes are welded

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 09:48 AM

thanks for the tips guys.

reading that write-up (link), that guy ended up making his own spring plates. i wonder if i can elongate the u-bolt hole enough in mine to make em fit...

Sidepipes · 03-24-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dt5150

thanks for the tips guys.

reading that write-up (link), that guy ended up making his own spring plates. i wonder if i can elongate the u-bolt hole enough in mine to make em fit...

I elgonated the CJ drivers spring plate but made my own plate for the passenger side. I got my u-bolts made up at a local heavy truck shop.

ruecifur · 03-24-2009, 09:55 AM

ruff stuff makes some good stuff that you can prob use. call them up. Dan is real cool and will def talk to you for a while (make sure you have some time, LOL) and make sure you get the right stuff. You're gonna have to outboard the springs in the front, and he makes stuff to do that as well. 916.600.1945

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 09:56 AM

thank you. any reason you couldn't elongate the passenger side?

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruecifur

ruff stuff makes some good stuff that you can prob use. call them up. Dan is real cool and will def talk to you for a while (make sure you have some time, LOL) and make sure you get the right stuff. You're gonna have to outboard the springs in the front, and he makes stuff to do that as well. 916.600.1945

i'll give em a try, thanks. and no, i won't need to outboard my springs. perches are already at stock cj width

ruecifur · 03-24-2009, 09:59 AM

Dude... you are the king of scoring dope parts! I'm gonna move up there just so that some of your awesomeness rubs off on me

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 10:13 AM

hehehe...

Sidepipes · 03-24-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dt5150

thank you. any reason you couldn't elongate the passenger side?

The CJ D30 spring plate just wasn't big enough to span the YJ springs or long enough for the square bottomed u-bolts I got made for it and still be strong enough IMO. I just made a plate out of some 3/8".

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 10:24 AM

oh ok, thanks for the info.

ruecifur · 03-24-2009, 10:31 AM

i might have some spring plates lying around i could send you for what ever shipping will cost me. I'm pretty sure i have some from an xj that might work.

dt5150 · 03-24-2009, 10:51 AM

thanks mike. i think mine will work if i ream out the holes a little. i'm using cj leaf springs which are 2" wide in front so i should have enough room. i'll keep that in mind though.

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03-24-2009, 09:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
ruecifur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85098 Posts: 98	http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-...ing-mounts.htm

03-24-2009, 09:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	that helps, thanks mike.

03-24-2009, 09:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
ruecifur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85098 Posts: 98	haha whats up derek, i didn't even look at the poster handle and didn't relise it was you! hows the engine swap going? I'm using the scout axles too and they are a pain in the ass. Your gonna have to turn the tubes to get any sort of good caster. Search google for "scout II dana 44 swap" and you'll find some good info. here's another link describing some steering issues. I would keep your cj outers though... makes it easier, but you should still do the caster mod. http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/ihscout/d44f.html

03-24-2009, 09:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	haven't started the motor swap yet, hopefully in the next couple weeks thing will get rollin. i managed to find a scout 44 already shortened with the knuckles turned, castor set to 5*. perfect... and i'm gonna use my d30 outers to finish them off. i've got a line on a d44 rear out of an 86 cj with matching gears too. figure i might as well do this now.

03-24-2009, 09:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
ruecifur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85098 Posts: 98	with the center section out so wide that front end should actually help you with your d-shaft clearance too. Thats awesome that you found one that was turned already. I'm gonna be turning mine next week and I'm not looking forward to it. Yeah I'm gonna do a truss on mine as well, i would recomend doing that and make sure the tubes are welded

03-24-2009, 09:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	thanks for the tips guys. reading that write-up (link), that guy ended up making his own spring plates. i wonder if i can elongate the u-bolt hole enough in mine to make em fit...

03-24-2009, 09:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
ruecifur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85098 Posts: 98	ruff stuff makes some good stuff that you can prob use. call them up. Dan is real cool and will def talk to you for a while (make sure you have some time, LOL) and make sure you get the right stuff. You're gonna have to outboard the springs in the front, and he makes stuff to do that as well. 916.600.1945

03-24-2009, 09:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	thank you. any reason you couldn't elongate the passenger side?

03-24-2009, 09:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
ruecifur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85098 Posts: 98	Dude... you are the king of scoring dope parts! I'm gonna move up there just so that some of your awesomeness rubs off on me

03-24-2009, 10:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	hehehe...

03-24-2009, 10:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	oh ok, thanks for the info.

03-24-2009, 10:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
ruecifur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85098 Posts: 98	i might have some spring plates lying around i could send you for what ever shipping will cost me. I'm pretty sure i have some from an xj that might work.

03-24-2009, 10:51 AM	#19 (permalink)
dt5150 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 95938 Posts: 243	thanks mike. i think mine will work if i ream out the holes a little. i'm using cj leaf springs which are 2" wide in front so i should have enough room. i'll keep that in mind though.