Willys Wagon Steering Help - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

zuck2001 · 06-26-2002, 06:03 PM

I've got a willys wagon and I'm trying to figure out where and how to run my steering linkage. I've got a high-steer D44 front, a corvette column, an LT-1 motor, and im not sure what power steering box to go with. I don't think that i have the clearance for mounting a box inside the frame. So I think i have to run it outside using a GM or early Ford box. If anyone can offer any advice, it would be appreciated.

mike · 06-26-2002, 06:17 PM

Why dont you have clearence inside? You putting it behind the grill? Or out in front?

zuck2001 · 06-26-2002, 06:50 PM

I'm planning on running it behind the radiator. It looks as though the steering shaft is gonna run right into the manifolds when i put the column and stuff in. I've seen the box put outside the frame with a big hole cut in the side of the fender well. I'm just trying to make it as clean as possible.

larryboy · 06-26-2002, 10:03 PM

my 59 wagon has a saginaw box in front of the grill.no clearance probs with 327 vette motor. got my steering column today.

i looked at all kinds of boxes most were too big,outside the frame is too ugly IMO. if you really want one outside the frame you might take a look at an IFS toy box.

64Trvlr · 06-26-2002, 10:47 PM

I have my Saginaw inside the frame in front of the grille and it works great. If you want I'll try to take a few pics tomorrow.

TJpwr · 06-26-2002, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 64Trvlr
If you want I'll try to take a few pics tomorrow.

I'd like to see the pics.

Phil

zuck2001 · 06-26-2002, 11:36 PM

Well, I'd like to show you all pics, but my jeep is at a shop getting wired. I think I know what you guys are talking about with the saginaw box being up front. I've got one out of a wagoneer that i was planning on using. I've got a SBC 307 in the beast right now and it looked like i might have problems once i swap that vette motor in. I would like to see some pictures of your rigs to get an idea.

4Bangler · 06-27-2002, 07:03 AM

If you've got the clearance for the box, but concerned about the steering shaft, put a joint in the shaft and run a pillow block next to it for support. Use good quality steering joints. like flaming river, not tractor PTO crap, steering is good.

zuck2001 · 06-27-2002, 08:42 AM

Hey, thats a good idea. I was worried about angles, but I can ponder that a bit.

4Bangler · 06-27-2002, 08:46 AM

Guys do it all the time, it's not as scary as it sounds, as long as you use good quality parts, and definately a pillow block or rod end supporting the joint. Anything is better than the Willy's factory "hunt & peck" steering system. As much as I hate Advance Adapters, they do have some pretty good Saginaw steering conversion info.

Pottsy · 06-27-2002, 09:12 AM

For what it is worth..... I'm building a 59 willy cj5... I used a manual steering box out of a 1984 ford ranger.... It works sweet!
Here is a link to the picture.....

http://groups.msn.com/tHEwIDEwORLDoF...to&PhotoID=611

Pottsy

Pdaddy · 06-27-2002, 01:24 PM

heres a pic of my dads setup, The drag link is a stock YJ tierod, we built our own BIG steering arm , and the box is out front if ya can see it in this pic ................. box is from a newer 1ton cheby

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/39d24...hb4G9A_1D6xaT4

BIG PICTURE

zuck2001 · 06-27-2002, 05:52 PM

Hey PDaddy, you're link didn't work for that picture, but I think I get the idea and can figure it out. Anyways, thanks everyone for your help.

06-26-2002, 06:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
zuck2001 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11939 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 159	Willys Wagon Steering Help I've got a willys wagon and I'm trying to figure out where and how to run my steering linkage. I've got a high-steer D44 front, a corvette column, an LT-1 motor, and im not sure what power steering box to go with. I don't think that i have the clearance for mounting a box inside the frame. So I think i have to run it outside using a GM or early Ford box. If anyone can offer any advice, it would be appreciated.

06-26-2002, 06:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
mike Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 144 Location: Northern Mexico... er.. AriDzona Posts: 6,867	Why dont you have clearence inside? You putting it behind the grill? Or out in front? __________________ That's because you're a pinko fascist. - Haole I know what antidisestablishmentarianist means

06-27-2002, 07:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
4Bangler Jackstand Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12152 Location: Alpena, Michigan Posts: 1,616	If you've got the clearance for the box, but concerned about the steering shaft, put a joint in the shaft and run a pillow block next to it for support. Use good quality steering joints. like flaming river, not tractor PTO crap, steering is good. __________________ '46 CJ-2A, '47 CJ-2A, '48 CJ-2A, '50 M38, '52 M38A1, '62 CJ-3B, '62 CJ-5, '65 CJ-5, (2) '66 CJ-5's, '67 CJ-5, '69 CJ-5, '69 J-3000, '70 CJ-101, '74 DJ-5, '74 CJ-5, '77 CJ-5, '78 CJ-5, '78 CJ-7, '78 Wagoneer, '95 YJ, '97 XJ...None of them run.

06-27-2002, 08:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
zuck2001 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11939 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 159	Hey, thats a good idea. I was worried about angles, but I can ponder that a bit. __________________ Recreate Responsibly

06-27-2002, 08:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
4Bangler Jackstand Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12152 Location: Alpena, Michigan Posts: 1,616	Guys do it all the time, it's not as scary as it sounds, as long as you use good quality parts, and definately a pillow block or rod end supporting the joint. Anything is better than the Willy's factory "hunt & peck" steering system. As much as I hate Advance Adapters, they do have some pretty good Saginaw steering conversion info. __________________ '46 CJ-2A, '47 CJ-2A, '48 CJ-2A, '50 M38, '52 M38A1, '62 CJ-3B, '62 CJ-5, '65 CJ-5, (2) '66 CJ-5's, '67 CJ-5, '69 CJ-5, '69 J-3000, '70 CJ-101, '74 DJ-5, '74 CJ-5, '77 CJ-5, '78 CJ-5, '78 CJ-7, '78 Wagoneer, '95 YJ, '97 XJ...None of them run.

06-26-2002, 06:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
zuck2001 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11939 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 159	I'm planning on running it behind the radiator. It looks as though the steering shaft is gonna run right into the manifolds when i put the column and stuff in. I've seen the box put outside the frame with a big hole cut in the side of the fender well. I'm just trying to make it as clean as possible.

06-26-2002, 10:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
larryboy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9222 Location: uber alles,ca Posts: 2,886	my 59 wagon has a saginaw box in front of the grill.no clearance probs with 327 vette motor. got my steering column today. i looked at all kinds of boxes most were too big,outside the frame is too ugly IMO. if you really want one outside the frame you might take a look at an IFS toy box.

06-26-2002, 11:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
zuck2001 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11939 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 159	Well, I'd like to show you all pics, but my jeep is at a shop getting wired. I think I know what you guys are talking about with the saginaw box being up front. I've got one out of a wagoneer that i was planning on using. I've got a SBC 307 in the beast right now and it looked like i might have problems once i swap that vette motor in. I would like to see some pictures of your rigs to get an idea.

06-27-2002, 09:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
Pottsy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10503 Location: Carrollton, Ohio Posts: 377	For what it is worth..... I'm building a 59 willy cj5... I used a manual steering box out of a 1984 ford ranger.... It works sweet! Here is a link to the picture..... http://groups.msn.com/tHEwIDEwORLDoF...to&PhotoID=611 Pottsy __________________ bbpfab.com

06-27-2002, 01:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Pdaddy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8133 Location: Back in Kansas Posts: 5,390	heres a pic of my dads setup, The drag link is a stock YJ tierod, we built our own BIG steering arm , and the box is out front if ya can see it in this pic ................. box is from a newer 1ton cheby http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/39d24...hb4G9A_1D6xaT4 BIG PICTURE __________________ LCQ / KOH 09 Co-Driver #62 Midwestwheeler / Hardline Custom

06-27-2002, 05:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
zuck2001 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11939 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 159	Hey PDaddy, you're link didn't work for that picture, but I think I get the idea and can figure it out. Anyways, thanks everyone for your help. __________________ Recreate Responsibly

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