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Old 08-09-2011, 02:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"retro" Willys thread

After this past weekends trail ride I had the realization that I've built my jeep to the point where nothing is a REAL challenge anymore. I've been thinking this for a while now, but this past weekend proved it.

For the past few months I have been dreaming of wheeling a bone stock flatfender on some NDTs. That didn't last long before I found myself building it in my head. Now I'm thinking of building a "period correct" jeep. We do "period correct" builds with hotrods. The idea really is to pick a time period and stick to the parameters of what was available during that time.

A friend of mine has a '46 CJ2A for $300, really its just a rolling shell with no motor/trans. I'm now considering buying it, and adapting a ford flathead v8. I've heard of this done, but have never seen it. Nor do I know if its worth the effort as flathead fords can get expensive fast. Anyone have experience with this swap?


Also, I'de like to get everyones opinion on the "retro wheeling" concept.
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Back in the day my dad had a 3B with some oldsmobile v8 in it.. cant recall what excatly. He said he almost shit himself one time while plowing when it did a reverse wheelie. I have a 3A sitting at home that needs a tub. My plan for that was to have the hurrican 4 banger, 4 spd main, warn OD, dana 20. About a 2 inch lift riding on 31s or 32s. gear the hell outa it and you don't need a huge motor.
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a pretty much stockish flatfender is a fun thing to have around. i discovered my love for this 4x4 stuff last year when we picked up ours, now its pretty much rehabbed and pretty much stock except for a buick 225 and some 32" mtr's. its a blast, it drives great, and its a lot of fun on even pretty easy trails.

i've though long and hard about what to do with it next, and honestly, i think i'll do a saginaw power steering swap, and then buy myself another 3a to buggy out, leaving this one 90% bone stock, because well, they are pretty fun without having to go hog wild.
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'50s Oldsmobile Rocket engines had some power, in such a small jeep im not suprised that happened. Very cool!

Thats my mentality as well, find a small engine and put some 5.38s under it. I wanna go with 6.50-16 Military on mine.
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Old 08-09-2011, 03:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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euroford, your jeep was a definite inspiration for this build I got going in my head. Not a stupid amount of power, just something to putz around in or take to fishing.
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I had the same idea a while ago. Here's my pirate thread and I have a thread on the hamb board asking about mating the t90. Gemcityrenegade on hamb.. It's got the part numbers in there I think..
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i have been thinking the same. i have a 50's flattie dj an a load of drivetrain parts. its been a long time since i wheeled on less than 2 detroits an 37's
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the other thing everyone in our area has been doing every fall is the friday afternoon/night before a big run, have a 235 run. everyone involved has to roll on 235s. its epic.
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Jeep937, I checked out that thread over on the HAMB before starting this thread. Very helpful. (I'm Hillbilly4008 over there by the way)

imack, I bet that 235 run really seperates the good drivers from the ones that just like to stomp the skinny pedal.

Our trail ride last sunday had a pretty mixed group of jeeps. Tires ranged from 37" boggers down to 31" all-terrains. It didn't matter, everyone made it over the obsticles eventually. It just took a little more finess from some.
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A friend of mine has a '46 CJ2A for $300, really its just a rolling shell with no motor/trans. I'm now considering buying it, and adapting a ford flathead v8. I've heard of this done, but have never seen it. Nor do I know if its worth the effort as flathead fords can get expensive fast. Anyone have experience with this swap?


Also, I'de like to get everyones opinion on the "retro wheeling" concept.
that old not taking any more value to your horse than needed so that if it breaks a leg, you pull your saddle off, shoot it and walk away with no hard feelings should be applied to wheeling rigs more, IMO. people get so emotionally (+financially) attached its ridiculous. i'd say find someone doing a build and swapping out a 2.5L & 5 speed you can get dirt cheap, im a huge fan of the 2-231s doubler + for future clocking value and throw whatever axles you can find under it. if it ever dies, you still have the doubler set-up to throw in something else... vow to not put anything more than 33"s under it and have fun with it.
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Retro is definitely in style. at one time I briefly looked into a Flathead V-8 swap, and decided it wasn't for me... though I felt it would be really cool. But if you do it we want to see it.

I got hooked on Jeeps (I was an early Bronco guy before ) in a CJ-3A, all stock on 31's. good times, I still have it.

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a 2.5L & 5 speed you can get dirt cheap, im a huge fan of the 2-231s doubler
good luck squeezing that setup into a flatfender.. too long without a stretch.
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good luck squeezing that setup into a flatfender.. too long without a stretch.
who builds a willys without stretching it these days lol?!
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Dang it, I never even got to catch up before the retro thing is coming back in style!



My old '42 MB is pretty retro. 225 v6, sm420, D18, 32" swampers.....

The only big issue I have is steep climbs. If the climb is longer than the wheelbase things get a little fun. Half that is the short wheelbase, half that is the carb.

After 70 years it finally needs a new frame. That is leading to a +3F, +3R wheelbase stretch. That is leading to 35-36" tires. That is leading to an open knuckle D30 front and full float kit for the D44 rear. Might as well do 4-wheel discs at that point. The bigger tires won't fit and I don't like tall jeeps, so i'm going to tub the rear and raise the front fenders. The seats are original and uncomfortable, so it needs some new seats. I don't want to sit with my head above the windshield anymore so I will be mounting the new seats much lower and laid back a bit. The new seating position means a new fuel tank. It has always needed a real cage. The list goes on....should be fun.

Wait a minute....now retro and moderation is going to be in again..dang it!
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Well I told my buddy today that I'm buying his '46. I talked to another dude, and he is going to trade me a dauntless v6/t14/D20 for doing the floors in his commando. I should see if I can get him to throw in a center dump rear 44. I'd prefer to go 5.38s, I highly doubt that I could find that in a v6 powered commando or cj.

Now I just got to sell off some shit to get the jeep.

By the way Coker tire is having a special now on 6.00-16 NDTs at $101 a piece
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Be carefull of the commando centered D44s some are a weird hybred with 27 spline axles, replacement parts are hard to find plus you cant find a traction devises for them. If you are going to run 5.38s the 7.00-16s would be my choise of tires ( the jeeps running 6.00-16 had 4.88 gears)
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Thanks for the heads up. Still haven't brought the willys home yet, so I don't kow what gears it has. Definitly good info for the future
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Look what I found at Coker Tire
http://store.cokertire.com/popular-t...bby-truck.html
http://store.cokertire.com/popular-t...on-h78-15.html
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Dang it, I never even got to catch up before the retro thing is coming back in style!



My old '42 MB is pretty retro. 225 v6, sm420, D18, 32" swampers.....

The only big issue I have is steep climbs. If the climb is longer than the wheelbase things get a little fun. Half that is the short wheelbase, half that is the carb.

After 70 years it finally needs a new frame. That is leading to a +3F, +3R wheelbase stretch. That is leading to 35-36" tires. That is leading to an open knuckle D30 front and full float kit for the D44 rear. Might as well do 4-wheel discs at that point. The bigger tires won't fit and I don't like tall jeeps, so i'm going to tub the rear and raise the front fenders. The seats are original and uncomfortable, so it needs some new seats. I don't want to sit with my head above the windshield anymore so I will be mounting the new seats much lower and laid back a bit. The new seating position means a new fuel tank. It has always needed a real cage. The list goes on....should be fun.

Wait a minute....now retro and moderation is going to be in again..dang it!
You can fit 36" tires with a low COG easily. Thatīs how is mine.
Please, dont tub the rear
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The wheel tubs in the back are going to get moved up to just under the top of the tub where the sheetmetal bends around ( so about 1" from the top of the tub ). The wheel opening is just going to get enlarged, no comp cut.
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who builds a willys without stretching it these days lol?!
Stretching a Flatfender ruins it IMO.. That's like doing a CJ5 snubnose build and comp cutting it.. Just get a 7, 8 or cheap YJ. Leave the little 5's and Flattys out of it..
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I'm stretching mine a little bit, but I don't think many people are going to be able to tell. I'm basically just moving the tires around a little bit to get them to fit under the tub a little better ( while being much larger ).
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sounds like I have a CJ6 on the way. I was hoping to steal the F-head and running gear out of it to throw in my 2A. Then I realized that I would either have to lift the body 3" OR cut a big ugly hole in the hood. Im not gonna do either, so it looks like I got another jeep just sitting around...

Good news is the 6 has a capstan winch and most likely has a factory locker in the rear. Im sure most all 6's came with rear ltd slips.

Holdin out for a dauntless I guess, no big rush.
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There is a carb that will bolt on the F-head and allow it to clear the flat fender hood ( mb,gpw,cj2/3a ). I think it was off an early Ford Falcon with a straight six or something.....
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The wheel tubs in the back are going to get moved up to just under the top of the tub where the sheetmetal bends around ( so about 1" from the top of the tub ). The wheel opening is just going to get enlarged, no comp cut.
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