Anyone wheel an LR3/RRS - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

300bhp/ton · 09-28-2011, 01:13 AM

Just wondering if there's anyone who wheels either of these. Youtube seems pretty thin on the ground of descent vids or showing what these vehicles can or can't do.

I know the terrain response works well, but how good are these vehicles out on the trails with their vast bodywork, large overhangs, small wheels and IFS/IRS??

Thanks.

red90rover · 09-28-2011, 01:20 AM

The traction control is amazing, as good as I have seen. It can be close to lockers...but it can be fooled in the right conditions. Wheel travel is horrible and they lift wheels easily. The body clearance and brakes make it difficult to add decent sized tires which ends up being the worst limitation. They are heavy and need big meat.

PTSchram · 09-28-2011, 05:04 AM

I have a client who dis-located a CV joint driving across a swale next to his driveway.

Land Rover said it was abuse and result of a torn CV boot letting dirt in. He'd had it in for a 40K service three days before.

They eventually fixed it and he bought the extended warranty for it as he's a large animal vet and drives it into fields, pastures, etc and thinks it fits the image of his practice he wants.

In his defense, he has a DI that's locked and has a mashed frame rail-I think he wheels THAT truck, not the LR3.

77chev · 09-28-2011, 06:39 AM

Here's one of our club member's LR3s. He seems to have fun wheelin it.

garrycol · 09-30-2011, 06:23 PM

Do a search on You Tube for Range Rover Sport Black Betty and you will find a series of quality vids of Black Betty doing her stuff.

Watagan Mud Run - Black Betty - YouTube

Official off-road test MY11 Range Rover Sport.mov - YouTube

Kyle_T · 10-01-2011, 09:43 AM

great as a stock truck, but dont expect it to go where a lifted modded disco or whatever can go.

R_Lefebvre · 10-03-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Do a search on You Tube for Range Rover Sport Black Betty and you will find a series of quality vids of Black Betty doing her stuff.

Watagan Mud Run - Black Betty - YouTube

Pretty interesting. At 1:18 shows the big advantage of IFS/IRS on a small-tired truck. My truck could never go on that line. Amazingly, I'm beached right here. Didn't walk it first because this is an easy trail. But there were some 10" ruts under here and I've only got about 8" diff clearance with my 245/75/16's.

garrycol · 10-03-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle_T

great as a stock truck, but dont expect it to go where a lifted modded disco or whatever can go.

Of course a stock vehicle will not go where a lifted etc disco will go - but why not mod a RRS/D3 - certainly a body lift is possible and there are mods which allow the air suspension to run at full height. The main limitation of the RRS/D3 is that it is newer and owners do not want to damage their vehicles.

Garry

R_Lefebvre · 10-04-2011, 08:23 AM

Is a body lift really possible? I don't think so. It doesn't really have a conventional frame.

Stock for stock, an LR3 will blow away a D1/2. But you really can't do a lot to them for serious off-roading.

Agrover · 10-05-2011, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red90rover

The traction control is amazing, as good as I have seen. It can be close to lockers...but it can be fooled in the right conditions. Wheel travel is horrible and they lift wheels easily. The body clearance and brakes make it difficult to add decent sized tires which ends up being the worst limitation. They are heavy and need big meat.

I agree the traction control works extremely well, and they do cock wheels everywhere they go offroad. but has anyone done any conclusive tests to determin if the lack of articulation can cause the vehicle to roll over in circumstances where a more flexible suspension would keep the shiney side up?
AG.

garrycol · 10-05-2011, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by R_Lefebvre

Is a body lift really possible? I don't think so. It doesn't really have a conventional frame.

What do you mean it doesn't really have a conventional frame??

Why do you think they weigh in the order of 2.5 - 2.7 Tonnes unloaded - they have a huge separate chassis - indeed most major mechanical work requires the body to be lifted off and it is designed for that - everything thing just unclipped and the body can be lifted off by a 2 or four post jack in about 2 hours.

R_Lefebvre · 10-05-2011, 05:59 AM

I know it has a frame, but it isn't really "conventional". There's not a straight section of rail on it. That's what I meant.

It appears you probably know more about the situation than the rest of us here. So, would a body lift work? Would the steering shaft stretch that far? etc.

Mr Bridger · 10-05-2011, 12:49 PM

I wheel the wife's LR3 a little and it always impresses me.

But, 19" rims don't have a great selection of good AT or MT tyres. You can get 18" wheels but size is still limited.

The biggest disadvantage to wheelin these things is the vast weight. The steering is light and nimble and the engine is powerful so you don't really notice it on the road but get into some soft ground or steep hills and it becomes a big problem.

garrycol · 10-11-2011, 04:24 PM

Another great run in Black Betty - I would love to be on some of these trips.

The preview first and then the trip
Range Rover Sport Extreme 2.mov - YouTube

WATAGAN EXTREME 1.mov - YouTube

Watagan Extreme 2.mov - YouTube

09-28-2011, 01:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
300bhp/ton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Member # 90047 Location: England Posts: 140	Anyone wheel an LR3/RRS Just wondering if there's anyone who wheels either of these. Youtube seems pretty thin on the ground of descent vids or showing what these vehicles can or can't do. I know the terrain response works well, but how good are these vehicles out on the trails with their vast bodywork, large overhangs, small wheels and IFS/IRS?? Thanks. __________________ A few vehicles from 0.7 litres to 5.7 litres.... 3., 6 and 8 cylinder options too.

09-28-2011, 01:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
red90rover Granite Guru Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20109 Location: Calgary Posts: 976	The traction control is amazing, as good as I have seen. It can be close to lockers...but it can be fooled in the right conditions. Wheel travel is horrible and they lift wheels easily. The body clearance and brakes make it difficult to add decent sized tires which ends up being the worst limitation. They are heavy and need big meat. __________________ 1991 D90 ex-MOD

09-28-2011, 05:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
PTSchram Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12499 Location: In a Snap-On truck tryin' to make it pay Posts: 10,543	I have a client who dis-located a CV joint driving across a swale next to his driveway. Land Rover said it was abuse and result of a torn CV boot letting dirt in. He'd had it in for a 40K service three days before. They eventually fixed it and he bought the extended warranty for it as he's a large animal vet and drives it into fields, pastures, etc and thinks it fits the image of his practice he wants. In his defense, he has a DI that's locked and has a mashed frame rail-I think he wheels THAT truck, not the LR3. __________________ Wrenchin' to riches! If you want peace, prepare for war.

09-28-2011, 06:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
77chev Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Member # 30331 Location: Tigard, Or Posts: 532	Here's one of our club member's LR3s. He seems to have fun wheelin it. __________________ 51 CJ3A future trail machine 88 Range Rover Truck Cab

10-01-2011, 09:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kyle_T Texas by GOD Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 69765 Location: Fort Worthless, TX Posts: 1,699	great as a stock truck, but dont expect it to go where a lifted modded disco or whatever can go. __________________ ~ Kyle 1999 Land Rover Discovery II - Lift, Tires, Axles, Stuff. /forum/land-rover/924588-my-d2-axle-swap-thread.html 2006 Range Rover Urban Assault Vehicle

09-30-2011, 06:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
garrycol Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Member # 165977 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 34	Do a search on You Tube for Range Rover Sport Black Betty and you will find a series of quality vids of Black Betty doing her stuff. Watagan Mud Run - Black Betty - YouTube Official off-road test MY11 Range Rover Sport.mov - YouTube

10-04-2011, 08:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
R_Lefebvre Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Member # 169188 Posts: 80	Is a body lift really possible? I don't think so. It doesn't really have a conventional frame. Stock for stock, an LR3 will blow away a D1/2. But you really can't do a lot to them for serious off-roading.

10-05-2011, 05:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
R_Lefebvre Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Member # 169188 Posts: 80	I know it has a frame, but it isn't really "conventional". There's not a straight section of rail on it. That's what I meant. It appears you probably know more about the situation than the rest of us here. So, would a body lift work? Would the steering shaft stretch that far? etc. Last edited by R_Lefebvre; 10-05-2011 at 05:59 AM.

10-05-2011, 12:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mr Bridger Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Member # 179350 Location: Alberta, Canada. AKA 'The Frozen North' Posts: 229	I wheel the wife's LR3 a little and it always impresses me. But, 19" rims don't have a great selection of good AT or MT tyres. You can get 18" wheels but size is still limited. The biggest disadvantage to wheelin these things is the vast weight. The steering is light and nimble and the engine is powerful so you don't really notice it on the road but get into some soft ground or steep hills and it becomes a big problem. __________________ "Camp Freddie, everybody in the world is bent" Mr Bridger. 1969. The Italian Job Last edited by Mr Bridger; 10-05-2011 at 12:59 PM.

10-11-2011, 04:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
garrycol Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Member # 165977 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 34	Another great run in Black Betty - I would love to be on some of these trips. The preview first and then the trip Range Rover Sport Extreme 2.mov - YouTube WATAGAN EXTREME 1.mov - YouTube Watagan Extreme 2.mov - YouTube

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