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Old 10-03-2011, 04:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Offroad-only tire choices for Land Rovers

I'm looking for tires for my lifted Discovery I, but not street tires. I'm looking for something like Krawlers, Iroks or Pitbull Rockers but my Land Rover is a little challenged with the larger sizes. I know I'm not the only one. Do you just accept that KM2's are about as good as it gets or what? I mostly see those or MT/R's. I realize some people have more than 3" lift, four links, and coilovers and aren't as limited, but I'm hoping there's some advice from the preponderance of Land Rover owners on 33's. I drive rock and dirt, some snow, hardly any mud. The locals that drive the same trails recommend Rockers, but I don't think I can get 13.50's on my 16x7's.
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Old 10-03-2011, 04:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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why would you choose a radial for an offroad only tire? KM2's are great as a compromise tire but if you're choosing offroad only go elsewhere.

Also: again... offroad only? Why are you running 16x7 rims?
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I'm looking for advice. The KM2's I have now are from the PO and the wheels are stock. I need to replace the tires, maybe the wheels too. It is not my street vehicle, but I offroad it daily. Some bias-ply tires could work, but Krawler's are radial. The size seems to be the limitation. My fenders are already trimmed a little, and it has a RTE 3" lift, but it's still not an open-wheel tube buggy. Do you have any recommendations?

Just to clarify: this isn't about how I can get 42" Iroks on my Discovery (I already saw that thread). I might benefit from some steel wheels but I'm still pretty much limited to narrow ~33" tires with the Discovery body and the 3" lift. The crawler tires start at 35x12.50. Isn't that too big for most Land Rovers with a little lift? So what's left for tire choices? The KM2's, and what else? SuperSwampers?

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Old 10-03-2011, 06:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
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try a super swamper ltb, available in 31, 33 or 34 that should work for you
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I know this should probly go in the "for sale" posts but you might be interested Im selling my 5 D1 steelies, 16X8 with a 2" offset... Also my HD rear axle shafts, My custom front bumper, and my Rovertym lift kit containing 2 offset radius arms, 2 rear link arms, 4 brake line extensions, and an adjustable panhard rod. I have the shocks and the 5" springs it came with but Ill be keeping those for my project. I have been running 35s with this set up
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Lots of tire options in your size range, but so ar you have not indicated that you are doing anything serious enough to require more than you have.

The biggest upgrade will be rubber compound. But you won't need softer compounds until you start hitting the big rocks.
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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thornbirds are pretty good. search and you will see..

i run cooper STT's and tires have not been my limit yet.... but I drive 750 miles each way to play in CO and drive it around town alot.
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I'm not sure quite what you are after but we sell and use Kumho KL71's and for what we do they seem to be ok.
Cheap, radial, soft-ish, directional, good road miles and very popular.

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34x10.50 LTB FTW, 15/16/17" rim available.
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small rubber

i have previously run 34 by 9 r16 swamper tsl's on stock discovery steel rims on my 87 county and it was pretty impressive. In a 33 maxxis do the creepy crawly in a 255 85 r16. its about a 33 x 10.
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I saw the Maxxis, but couldn't find anyone local with experience on those. Also, I don't believe the 255/85's are imported to the US.
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Some locals recommended the Swamper SX's for toughness, but I believe it's a similar hard compound tire to the KM2's, just bias. Same thing for the TSL's and Thornbirds. I have a hard time telling the difference between different Interco models, but a lot of the ones that are 33, are also 13.50 which really call for more than just a 7 or 8 inch rim. If I put 10 inch rims on there, assumming I could get the bolt pattern and offset, whether I needed spacers or not, I could fit 35" red labels, but it's a lot of money and I don't want to re-invent... nevermind. I'm looking for advice from anyone who's been here and done this. That's all. Maybe I'll just stick with hard compound 33's and leave room for chains. Snow's coming, probably tomorrow! (not enough for chains yet though)
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SX's are super sweet tires and are my second choice in the swamper line. First being the irok of course. They are also a fairly soft compound. Regular old tsl's and such are seemingly a harder compound.

Thornbirds get a bad rap, but having run them, I rather like them for certain things. Plus I like the design cosmetically. .
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That's good to know. I can't tell anything about the compounds because they don't specify a durometer or anything.

It looks like I can fit:

SX's in 32x11.50
LTB's in 34x10.50
Thornbirds in 33x11.50
Narrow SS (TSL) in 34x9
MT/R's in 285/75
Procomps in 285/75
or the KM2's, 255/85 or 285/75

The LTB's are probably a better size for my rims than the SX's.
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Your rims will carry up to a 12.5 without looking goofy. I would go for the sx if you want that aggressive of a tire.
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Your rims will carry up to a 12.5 without looking goofy. I would go for the sx if you want that aggressive of a tire.
Ok. It's just the sizes are so limited for 16's. 32 or 36. That's cool though, because like you wrote, I believe the compound is where it's at. I also read the LTB's are often not round, although I don't know how much that matters crawling and on trails.
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Honestly my KM2's have impressed the hell out of me, even compared to more aggressive tires like IROK's I've run on other vehicles in the past. For true rock crawling I'm sure a softer compound might help, but my KM2s have been able to creep up and over wet logs without bark at the top of a washout on trails, no slipping and no momentum required, even at street pressures.

On many trails I think the slightly less aggressive tread is actually an asset, as it allows you to spin and keep climbing forward, instead of just digging divots and sinking down. The only things I am unable to get over are due to my lack of lockers right now, which I will be taking care of soon. With lockers and 33's on a decent Rover suspension, it doesn't seem like there are that many places you would want to go without having a full cage and harnesses and being fine with body damage.

If you don't have lockers and OBA, I would take care of those first and you will be very surprised what you can get through.

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http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...&postcount=133

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Goodyear Duratrac's? Not as aggressive as some suggested but seeing as you don't see much mud why buy a mud tyre? They are great on gravel and rocks. These tyres are winter rated so they will still work in the snow. There is also a axle durability factor with really aggressive tyres.

Most mud tyres are useless in the cold.

I would stick with KM2 though for now.

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I mostly started the thread to see what options are out there.

I think it's fair to say that a Land Rover with a lift "kit" isn't going to get on serious crawling tires.

Plain, straightforward information on the stickies and their sources seems a bit enigmatic to begin with, but it's real obvious they can't be expected in 33's.

Even if the Land Rover's lift/trimming/rims are extreme enough to get on entry-level 35's or 37's (not even stickies yet), the rover axles/cv's are at risk. I have Detroits and GBR ring and pinions but searching threads, most people only had good results with Dana 60's or Toyota conversions.

On the stickies, I'm speculating that nobody with any Land Rover short of a tube-buggy on tons has experience with them. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's fair to speculate I personally don't need crawling tires, but that's not really what I intended the thread to be about. Rather I wanted to know what Land Rover owners do for a serious tire. Besides this thread, there's a lot more information in earlier ones, particularly on the 35's or 37's, but I wanted to know more about options for serious 33's or narrow 34's and the stickies.
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Plenty of stickies have been run on rovers. Mostly D90's.
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yes. you absolutely need to upgrade the axles to run anything over 32, especially a sticky.

either kiethTRACKS toy conversion or a full fzj80 swap. I did the 80 swap because it is stronger for me and i redid the suspension.
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yes. you absolutely need to upgrade the axles to run anything over 32, especially a sticky.

either kiethTRACKS toy conversion or a full fzj80 swap. I did the 80 swap because it is stronger for me and i redid the suspension.
This is fact.

And, I may add, there are no other choices. If you try to deviate, the readjustment bureau will cut your dick off.
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Even if the Land Rover's lift/trimming/rims are extreme enough to get on entry-level 35's or 37's (not even stickies yet), the rover axles/cv's are at risk. I have Detroits and GBR ring and pinions but searching threads, most people only had good results with Dana 60's or Toyota conversions.

No one usually believes me until they see my truck in action but I have actually had rather good results with 35x12.5 KM2 M/T's on my disco 2 with absolutely stock driveline minus ARB's front and rear and Ashcroft 4.37 gears. My suggestion would be to go with the tire you want, wheel it, and form your own opinion down the road as far as axle shafts are concerned.
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