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Old 03-21-2012, 10:31 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Really?

We have guys here putting Lexus V8's into toyotas, but that's because the toyota 2.4 diesel is a slug and in turbo form a danger to itself. We have Nissan guys fitting nissan V8's or turbocharging their petrol 6's for competition use.
Small block chev swaps aren't something I've heard much about since the 80's and early 90's.

The small block chevs days appear to be a long time past.
Yep, that's right. The hot American V8 swap into, well.......just about anything is the LS. Power, reliability, light weight and acceptable MPG.

Perhaps the Ford Eco-boost V6 will also become popular in the future?
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Old 03-23-2012, 06:44 PM   #102 (permalink)
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111hp...

Apparantly a bigger intercooler and some pump tweeks make it a bit more powerfull...

I still hate Tdi's for having NO bottom end grunt.
The current 2.8 TVG has 277 ft/lbs at 1400 rpm - to me, that IS low end grunt(!).
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The current 2.8 TVG has 277 ft/lbs at 1400 rpm - to me, that IS low end grunt(!).
But that's not the standard Tdi you can buy for peanuts. That one is harder to come by and way more expensive.

I like a lot of of-idle torque.. I've never driven a TGV before so I have no idea how that one is in that respect.
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I can lift the foot off the skinny pedal and mine would just crawl on idling in 1st...it doesn't seem so bad to me...

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Old 03-24-2012, 04:30 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Trust me a 2.8tgv is better, but not as much as I hoped. Parts arent cheap. Seriously, stick with USA muscle, it just doesnt make any sense for you to put a pissy tin can, expensive UK oil burner in your truck.
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But that's not the standard Tdi you can buy for peanuts. That one is harder to come by and way more expensive.

I like a lot of of-idle torque.. I've never driven a TGV before so I have no idea how that one is in that respect.
Unless it's boosting at idle it'll be as flat as any other turbo diesel from idle.
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I read somewhere that Ricardo did the work to redesign the 2.5td into the 200tdi.
Which makes perfect sense, can't be arsed looking for a link though.
That's what I was told too, a long time ago, but I have no idea if it's true or not ?

Looks like I've missed all the fun too.

I only have a 300Tdi as that's what came with the 130, I wouldn't choose one over a Td5, or better still a 4BD1T.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:49 AM   #108 (permalink)
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The current 2.8 TVG has 277 ft/lbs at 1400 rpm - to me, that IS low end grunt(!).
Try getting bits for them if you aren't in Sth America though. (or ask Serg, he has to source bits from the UK)

They're out of production too, no more complete engines available.
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Unless it's boosting at idle it'll be as flat as any other turbo diesel from idle.
Yep, and cc's rule at that point.

We have a Nissan with the TD42T (4.2 litres of UD designed goodness and only about 8psi boost and box stock) and a 300Tdi in the Deefer with 17psi boost and maximum fuel.

One car will crawl away from idle easily while the other one needs low range second just to tow a bloody trailer away from a stop sign......
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Yep, and cc's rule at that point.

We have a Nissan with the TD42T (4.2 litres of UD designed goodness and only about 8psi boost and box stock) and a 300Tdi in the Deefer with 17psi boost and maximum fuel.

One car will crawl away from idle easily while the other one needs low range second just to tow a bloody trailer away from a stop sign......
Exactly! And that's why I hate Tdi's... and why I like my 3B. I can come of the clutch on a fairly steep hill and it just drives off.... My 300Tdi discovery stalls easily, especially with the aircon switched on......torque at idle is non existant.

Give me lots of cubic inches anyday...AND a turbo
That's why I bought this one for on my 3B ..
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Trust me a 2.8tgv is better, but not as much as I hoped. Parts arent cheap. Seriously, stick with USA muscle, it just doesnt make any sense for you to put a pissy tin can, expensive UK oil burner in your truck.
In the US they don't have any decent small diesels. But fortunately a chap in the UK has just shown you can fit a 6BT into a 90. Funny how many innovations come from the old country.

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showth...-Land-Rover-90

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Exactly! And that's why I hate Tdi's... and why I like my 3B. I can come of the clutch on a fairly steep hill and it just drives off.... My 300Tdi discovery stalls easily, especially with the aircon switched on......torque at idle is non existant.
I suspect that's mostly to do with 2.5L vs 3.4L and the TDI having to meet some emissions requirements. Not so much the difference between idi and di.
I have no complaints with idle or off-idle torque on my 3.9L tdi.

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In the US they don't have any decent small diesels. But fortunately a chap in the UK has just shown you can fit a 6BT into a 90. Funny how many innovations come from the old country.

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showth...-Land-Rover-90



I suspect that's mostly to do with 2.5L vs 3.4L and the TDI having to meet some emissions requirements. Not so much the difference between idi and di.
I have no complaints with idle or off-idle torque on my 3.9L tdi.
That's not THAT innovative, I know of at least 2 109's that have a 6BT in them. Personally, I don't think a 6BT would be a very good choice for a 90 but that's beside the point.

It indeed has to do with cubic capacity and not whether it's DI or IDI. I wrote Tdi in reference to the 200 or 300 Tdi.

That 3.9 of yours would be very very nice to drive! Too bad they're hard to find over here and expensive when you do.
3B's are way more common and affordable.
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That's not THAT innovative, I know of at least 2 109's that have a 6BT in them. Personally, I don't think a 6BT would be a very good choice for a 90 but that's beside the point.
Debates about engine suitability aside, I was amazed that an engine that long could fit in a landrover that short.

My Isuzu is very handy, if a bit brutal at times, but europe has similar sized engines from Iveco (FPT) and the like. I just don't know what you'd find them in besides a New Holland tractor. In semi-related news. I think I've found a spot to run intercooler hoses. Because 24psi with no intercooling is a little bit silly.

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Debates about engine suitability aside, I was amazed that an engine that long could fit in a landrover that short.
In Canada we call this "Eating Crow".

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Jeebus people.

Pros- Everything minus power

Cons- Not enough power.

If you can live with 140hp, it's a fantastic motor. If you can't, don't get it. Done.
wow totally agree. To do a diesel conversion RIGHT would cost an arm and a leg, r380, LT230 and4.6L gems motor with 50230 cam ftw!!
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wow totally agree. To do a diesel conversion RIGHT would cost an arm and a leg, r380, LT230 and4.6L gems motor with 50230 cam ftw!!
I wouldnt trust an R380 behind a 4.6 with a cam.

I really love the R380, but a 4.6 is almost getting into real power.
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I dunno the 4.6 put out 360nm (265lb/ft) in standard trim, and the box is supposed to be good up to 380nm with a 4 pot diesel attached.

I reckon (provided you're not driving like a complete dick all the time) that a decent R380 would cope with a V8 running 400-420nm (295-310 lb/ft) as its not being rattled around quite so roughly.
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I dunno the 4.6 put out 360nm (265lb/ft) in standard trim, and the box is supposed to be good up to 380nm with a 4 pot diesel attached.

I reckon (provided you're not driving like a complete dick all the time) that a decent R380 would cope with a V8 running 400-420nm (295-310 lb/ft) as its not being rattled around quite so roughly.
A 4.6 with a cam only puts out 295 ft pounds? Jeebus.
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Probably, the head design is fairly well known for not being the most efficient.

A decent cam, give the heads a good doing, and set it all up right, you might get a bit more, but by the time you've spent thousands doing it you'll be as well throwing similar at a Ford or Chevvy of similar CC's for more go.
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T A Performance in the USA have cast their own HP Rover V8 heads. These guys are Buick specialists. They claim their heads to be close to or on par with Wildcat V8 engines from the UK (no relation to the bolwer wildcat)
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Where did Dougal go? All of a sudden he's gone silent. Come on Dougal. Everyone is wrong once in a while.

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Where did Dougal go? All of a sudden he's gone silent. Come on Dougal. Everyone is wrong once in a while.
I'm not entirely sure what you are on about. You might need to refresh my memory.
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I dunno the 4.6 put out 360nm (265lb/ft) in standard trim, and the box is supposed to be good up to 380nm with a 4 pot diesel attached.

I reckon (provided you're not driving like a complete dick all the time) that a decent R380 would cope with a V8 running 400-420nm (295-310 lb/ft) as its not being rattled around quite so roughly.
I did an R380 in with a pump only tweaked 300Tdi in a D90. No point having loads of power if you can't use it due to a weak ass transmission/drivetrain setup. If that's the case you might as well run a lesser motor and not care.
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