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Old 05-08-2012, 04:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anothe "what's the difference", this time stub axles.

FTC 950 vs FTC 1740?

They are both the "long" rear stub axle, one from an RRC, the other from a 110/130. They both use the same hub, same spacers, same halfshafts.
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FTC 950 vs FTC 1740?

They are both the "long" rear stub axle, one from an RRC, the other from a 110/130. They both use the same hub, same spacers, same halfshafts.
you really need to start using American terminology, had to google image those part numbers to know what the heck you are talking about.

I believe the only difference in the spindles is the ABS notch.
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you really need to start using American terminology, had to google image those part numbers to know what the heck you are talking about.

I believe the only difference in the spindles is the ABS notch.

They should both be non-ABS. What nomenclature did Use that was incorrect or confusing?
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your gonna make me post aren't you...the ftc950 will not fit the sals axle. it's doesn't have the flange:
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The outer flange on the underside of what's pictured?

In earlier discussions with Keith, I was certain he'd said the early RRC stubs and hubs could be used but they required the reduction in thickness of the bracket.

If the differences that require the machining of the bracket are the caliper and rotor, I'll buy the rotors and calipers (got the calipers on their way already anyway) but if I don't need the stub axles, I don't need to pay the horrible exchange rates we're suffering with right now-and worse shipping prices!
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sorry shitty picture...yeah, the 950's don't don't have the flange,

I got 2 ftc1740's for $30gbp...
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Now if you'd only measured the distance from the flange to the end...
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if you look at the pic's, the sals stub is flat on the backside while the RR isn't. I have 4 of the RR stub's, you want 'em...They won't work
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if you look at the pic's, the sals stub is flat on the backside while the RR isn't. I have 4 of the RR stub's, you want 'em...They won't work
If they were faced off would they work?
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I thought about that and then just ordered the the ftc1740...seems to be plenty of material, but I'd worry about not have the flange for strength

I can send you the RR ones, they are just sitting in a recycle pile
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I can send you the RR ones, they are just sitting in a recycle pile
So I could put them in my "valuable stash of antique Rover parts"?

The strength is in the bolted fasteners, the flange is only there for locating purposes.

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So I could put them in my "valuable stash of antique Rover parts"?

The strength is in the bolted fasteners, the flange is only there for locating purposes.
withcha on the "parts stash" or recycle pile as I call it...

the new one's were cheap enough so I just got those
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By the time I add calipers, rotors, pads, stub axles all together, we're talking almost real money here-even though it is in those funny bills called Pounds Sterling Thank God it's not Euros!

The bad thing is it becomes real money when it comes out of my bank account and these aren't for me to sell on, so a debit is a debit and never to become a credit.
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Yes the job will add up but do it right instead of machining front or rear stubs to fit, also i guess you might not be taking machining time and costs into the equation.

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Yes the job will add up but do it right instead of machining front or rear stubs to fit, also i guess you might not be taking machining time and costs into the equation.

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By the time I add calipers, rotors, pads, stub axles all together, we're talking almost real money here-even though it is in those funny bills called Pounds Sterling Thank God it's not Euros!

The bad thing is it becomes real money when it comes out of my bank account and these aren't for me to sell on, so a debit is a debit and never to become a credit.
never said it was cheap...but brakes and steering are two ares where I don't mind dropping cash to do it right. This is a complete bolt up, all you need to do is shorten the brake lines
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Just to add to the mix, i am using frc8540, you may also use frc3132.

I told you on the other post, use the drum braked stubs from your current salisbury. If you do not use them i will happily take them off your hands.

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never said it was cheap...but brakes and steering are two ares where I don't mind dropping cash to do it right. This is a complete bolt up, all you need to do is shorten the brake lines
Right now, the damn thing will put you through the windscreen if you're not careful. The combination of RRC ABS pump and D90 calipers is a potent mix.

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Just to add to the mix, i am using frc8540, you may also use frc3132.

I told you on the other post, use the drum braked stubs from your current salisbury. If you do not use them i will happily take them off your hands.

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Are the drum brake stubs compatible with the hubs and D110 rotors to space the caliper correctly without needing spacers? I am somewhat committed to the D110 calipers but want to make sure everything will be compatible so I can do it once and have all the parts ready to go.

This truck was free and has been thrashed. Much of this is an academic exercise and probably overkill for the once yearly chance I get to wheel it-but when I do, I wheel the everlovin' piss out of it!
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Just to add to the mix, i am using frc8540, you may also use frc3132.

I told you on the other post, use the drum braked stubs from your current salisbury. If you do not use them i will happily take them off your hands.

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I've got 2 set's of rear drum stub axles, but shipping would probably equal the cost of getting them new

There are 20 way's of doing this, using parts from every Land Rover every created. I gave PT a list of the parts needed to make this 100% 110, and a direct bolt up.
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There are 20 way's of doing this, using parts from every Land Rover every created. I gave PT a list of the parts needed to make this 100% 110, and a direct bolt up.
You of all people know how I am

I may place the order for all new parts tomorrow morning, depending upon my insomnia. Were I in the UK, this would be a dirt cheap exercise, but shipping of some of the parts is gonna kill me. Shipping rotors? WTF am I thinking? That is second only to shipping air in stupidity!
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Are the drum brake stubs compatible with the hubs and D110 rotors to space the caliper correctly without needing spacers?
Yes the hubs fit, but using the rears stubs from the drum braked axle will still require spacers. There is only a couple of ways to achive the fit without spacers. You will have to either machine the brackets or pony up the cash and get all the right parts that make up the factory disc brake conversion...........

Here is another conversion to look at............

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=11685

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Dude, you really should stop considering your time as worthless.
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